If god loves everybody equally....

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
So you don't [b]TRULY know what God is saying. Thanks for clarifying that. 👆 [/B]

I didn't say that. I said I never heard a voice, but that isn't the only way to communicate, escpecially for somone who is all-powerful. I do admit that my ability to understand God is limited, and that means my understanding of his will is limited as well. I do understand a portion of God's will, a small portion, but that portion is "truly" known.

To use an analogy (yes I know you hate them, but I don't know how else to explain myself) - If I took a language class and after a couple of semesters went to the country where that language was spoken, I would understand part of what people were saying to me. The more exposure I had to the language, the better I would be able to understand it.

My knowledge of what God says to me is like that, imperfect, but at least I know he's there, and I get a hint of what he wants me to know.

Originally posted by docb77
but at least I know he's there

O RLY?

Is that so.

Originally posted by Alliance
O RLY?

Is that so.

Yep

oh...ic

Originally posted by docb77
I didn't say that. I said I never heard a voice, but that isn't the only way to communicate, escpecially for somone who is all-powerful. I do admit that my ability to understand God is limited, and that means my understanding of his will is limited as well. I do understand a portion of God's will, a small portion, but that portion is "truly" known.

I can accept that. I don't know how your life is, or what your experiences are. I beleive you are telling me what you genuinely percieve as Truth (atleast i hope you are)

However, for all I know your testiment could be the result of Hallucinations or Delusions.

Originally posted by docb77
To use an analogy (yes I know you hate them, but I don't know how else to explain myself) - If I took a language class and after a couple of semesters went to the country where that language was spoken, I would understand part of what people were saying to me. The more exposure I had to the language, the better I would be able to understand it.

Why does God insist on being unclear and uncertain if he demands so much of us ? Is he toying with us? Did he purposely limit us just to test us as Faithful guinea pigs ?

Originally posted by docb77
My knowledge of what God says to me is like that, imperfect, but at least I know he's there, and I get a hint of what he wants me to know.

How do you know he is there ?

I used to beleive that wholeheartely. Dead Honest. I used to "feel that" when I was Catholic. I prayed all the time. I had a very strong beleif in him.

Once I started actually reading the Bible, and listening to other Christians, that's when I stopped beleiving.

The God I beleived in never discriminated and doesn't hate. The God I beleive in is superior to us in morality and maturity, and doesnt possess the petty qualities of wrath, jealousy, or judgement. Those are three human flaws.

Apparently the God I love doesn't exist. ❌ 🙁 ❌

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I can accept that. I don't know how your life is, or what your experiences are. I beleive you are telling me what you genuinely percieve as Truth (atleast i hope you are)

However, for all I know your testiment could be the result of Hallucinations or Delusions.

Why does God insist on being unclear and uncertain if he demands so much of us ? Is he toying with us? Did he purposely limit us just to test us as Faithful guinea pigs ?

How do you know he is there ?

I used to beleive that wholeheartely. Dead Honest. I used to "feel that" when I was Catholic. I prayed all the time. I had a very strong beleif in him.

Once I started actually reading the Bible, and listening to other Christians, that's when I stopped beleiving.

The God I beleived in never discriminated and doesn't hate. The God I beleive in is superior to us in morality and maturity, and doesnt possess the petty qualities of wrath, jealousy, or judgement. Those are three human flaws.

Apparently the God I love doesn't exist. ❌ 🙁 ❌

Perhaps he does, maybe not in your reading of the Bible, but perhaps that being exists just the same.

If this life were the only existence we humans had, then I would not believe that God could be fair and just either. If you consider that we may have existed before this life, and will exist after it, then it becomes possible for a just and merciful God to exist. If we made choices in the"pre-existence", the trials and blessings of this life could be results of those choices. Likewise the choices and trials we overcome in this life could be rewarded in the next. Each person would recieve what he/she had earned. And in a universe like that, I think that there would be very few people who were completely "bankrupt" at the final reckoning.

If something like that didn't exist then there would be no way that life could be fair, and I would agree with you.

Originally posted by debbie264
Why do some people go to hell,and some to heaven?Doesn't god say he loves and treats everbody equally,whether he's a theif or holy man.So how come he sends people to hell/heaven??
And some people are born into bad environments,and forced to hate and despise god ,while some are born into healthy loving environments,and grow up learning to love god.Why doesn't he give everybody an equal chance?Is that even a philosophical question?

Cz god created earth and some healthy people with bones to move, heart to follow and brain to think... humans were being developed not as the way he wanted, but as the way they wanted! dont blame god if some africans starve or some people walk on the pavement and all of a sudden someone kills them and their families feel depressed for ther whole of their lives..blame humans for being responsible of the way we are being developed!

If gos was to create us equally then what was the point of even existing!

YES!

Humans created HIV!

Humans arent equal...those d@mn diseased blacks are not really human...they're just ugly. No wonder they are so infected.

shocking

Originally posted by Alliance
YES!

Humans created HIV!

Humans arent equal...those d@mn diseased blacks are not really human...they're just ugly. No wonder they are so infected.

shocking

Lets not forget humans are also responsible for volcanic eruption and tidal waves and earth quakes. And Cancer. How could we have been so silly to invent such things to make ourselves suffer?

^ Shit happens.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
^ Shit happens.

Yes. Yes it does.

Of course if it didn't we'd all have extremely distended abdomens and we'd all die of sepsis. 😉

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
^ Shit happens.

Usually shit does not equal plague, mass extictions, or catastrophe.

Shit is like, oh my dog died (which if a very serious thing, just not to everyone)

Originally posted by Alliance
Usually shit does not equal plague, mass extictions, or catastrophe.

Shit is like, oh my dog died (which if a very serious thing, just not to everyone)

Not from the point of view God.

"god"

Originally posted by Alliance
"god"

No, God.

Originally posted by Alliance
"god"

Originally posted by Alliance

Speechless?

i havent read all the posts...but im just posting my views in relation to the first question.

I am confused...because im not sure if god exists...i never have a secure belief but in the view that he does......

i feel that god puts us in positions for us to choose which path to take... i feel that i havent had the best life... and friends of mine are much better off...through my experiences and the way i deal with things i feel that i have better knowledge of things than others because they havent had the same experiences...and i feel better off in knowing these things...so being worse off doesnt always mean you are less of a person...so which position u have in life whether equal to others doesn't make a difference ( i know that comes with exceptions) its the path u choose to take which sees whether u go to hell or heaven

for being agnostic you certian accept Christian/Islamic philosophy