That's it, people officially disgust me

Originally posted by Ushgarak
I doubt anyone believed you about the woman... but the potential joy you expressed from beating up the guy I rather think is genuine, and disturbing.

As I said, if someone did that to that guy, I would be happy. I sure as hell ain't going to shed a tear over such a blatantly bad person.

Like I said, I saw the video of this last night on the news, and IT was disturbing. The attacker was a big, strong man who sucker punched someone half his size for saying "I'm goign to be late".

There is no place in the world for people like that.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
That's a pathetic comparison. There is a moral obligation to help someone in trouble if there is no direct risk to you. Babbling on about being sued for saving someone from choking to death is a rejection of a basic view of civic morality.

how is it 'pathetic'? and 'babbling'?
i can see where this is going 🙄

AC> But then you'd be a local legend, and people might start saying you come back to life once in awhile to help out and be a good samaritan.....😛

(Oh, and am I mispelling samaritan?)

Of course I'd be grateful! If someone really does help out then fine. But I wouldn't say the person was a better person for doing that. What I would hate is if someone had tried to intervene and got hurt themselves for it, or got made to feel bad for not putting themsleves at risk for that person.

So long as they did something appropriate- like call the police- rather than just pretend it wasn't happening, I'd be happy enough.

"But then you'd be a local legend, and people might start saying you come back to life once in awhile to help out and be a good samaritan....."

If I got to wear a cape........fine.

-AC

Originally posted by BackFire
As I said, if someone did that to that guy, I would be happy. I sure as hell ain't going to shed a tear over such a blatantly bad person.

Like I said, I saw the video of this last night on the news, and IT was disturbing. The attacker was a big, strong man who sucker punched someone half his size for saying "I'm goign to be late".

There is no place in the world for people like that.

There is certainly no place in the world for people who would gain joy from the physical assault of another, no matter how justified they felt in doing so.

And PVS, it was babbling because you are trying to equate direct fear of being personally hurt, and an abstract fear of being sued. It's pathetic for the same reason- the two simply do not compare.

Unless it is written into the creed of your job to not help- like it is with me when I am working with people with severe mental health problems- then some vague idea of being sued should be the last thing on anyone's mind, and if you DO think that way I have serious issues with the priorities in your head.

That whole scene made me feel exactly how I felt when I watched "Irreversible"

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Of course I'd be grateful! If someone reall does help out then fine. But I wouldn;t say the person was a better person for doing that. What I would hate is if someone had tried to intervene and got hurt themselves for it, or got made to feel bad for not putting themsleves at risk for that person.

So long as they did something appropriate- like call the police- rather than just pretend it wasn't happening, I'd be happy enough.

Well thats fair enough.... Even though you are right that the person may not be a better person thatn the average joe, I however do believe that if some one had saved some one else that the saver was better than the common-thug-attacker...... Occasionally the police may have to restrain someone but that wouldn't make them scum now would it....?

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Well thats fair enough.... Even though you are right that the person may not be a better person thatn the average joe, I however do believe that if some one had saved some one else that the saver was better than the common-thug-attacker......

Of course, but then so is the person who calls the police.

In fact, without any other info, so is the person who does nothing. Such a person might be callous, but that's not as bad as being mindlessly brutal.

"There is certainly no place in the world for people who would gain joy from the physical assault of another, no matter how justified they felt in doing so."

Hey, the world is over populated, if someone killed that guy for attacking someone in a horrible manner without reason, there is no downside to society by losing him. If he was murdered I wouldn't have to pay tax money to keep him alive in jail.

You should watch the video if at all possible, then tell me that you'd object or feel bad for such a piece of trash getting ended. It truley was a disgusting video, and I have no shame saying that that man deserves anything he gets for doing such horrible things to another person for no good reason.

That takes us back to the disgusting creed then, BF. Anyone who thinks they have that right is in need of serious civic education.

So many hypocritical highlights in that post I don't even know where to begin.

You're helping people you don't know by paying to keep a bad man in jail. Where's the compassion?

Oh wait, coz you lose money that way. So you're good to help as long as you don't lose money or life.

Ha.

-AC

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Of course, but then so is the person who calls the police.

In fact, without any other info, so is the person who does nothing. Such a person might be callous, but that's not as bad as being mindlessly brutal.

I agree about the mindless brutality bit.
And yes, if the police are called then great... all i'd want to do is see the attack stopped really regardless of what ever was deserved,
but then again if a mindless aggressor was to start, get out of his depth and get a justified kicking (And it would HAVE to be justified), I wouldn't lose any sleep.....

No one said they'd have that right.... Merely that I would approve of such a thing happening.

I've seen the video. The scale of the crime is totally irrelevant.

Perosnally, I think if society accepts the death of someone who does not deserve death- and it is a very bad thing to think a person who attacks another, even unprovoked, deserves death- simply because that might benefit society...

... then the idea of a 'civilised' society has failed.

Civilized society has already failed with people like that walking around the street anyways.

And I don't think the scale of the crime is irrelevent. I think, since the crime was overly violent and probably threatening to the people around it, someone could easily have killed the attacker by stabbing him and get away with it by saying "well, I paniced because he was attacking a person at random and I thought he might attack more of us."

Originally posted by Ushgarak
And PVS, it was babbling because you are trying to equate direct fear of being personally hurt, and an abstract fear of being sued. It;s pathetic for the same reason- the two simply do not compare.

Unless it is written into the creed of your job to not help- like it is with me when I am working with people with severe mental health problems- then some vague idea of being sued should be the last thing on anyone's mind, and if you DO think that way I have serious issues with the priorities in your head.

so the thought of being sued into povery doesnt frighten you?
well it does me. perhaps i've just seen too many people in the states become victims of complete scumbags who would dare sue the one whom they owe their life.

and no ush, i dont think that fear is justification for sitting back and doing nothing. i would certainly put myself in potential legal jeoprody to help someone, who i would pray is not the type of scumbag to turn aroung and bite the hand that saved them. does that solve your 'serious issues' with my priorities?

but i also feel that people are morally obligated to help others who's lives out in jeprody. when people are attacked and possibly killed, it doesnt take like 10-20 minutes, its immediate. the police show up AFTER the fact to assess what HAPPENED and go from there. if they CAN they will certainly kick ass, but most of the time, they cant. its too late.

but whatever, this is what i believe to my core. we are all responsible to help others who are being victimised to such a harsh degree. i'd rather spend a week in the hospital sleeping like a baby because i did the right thing, then spend my life regretting. perhaps im just a freak.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I'd rather be the pussiest guy walking the Earth than the bravest person in the graveyard.

-AC

That's a lazy assumption, and also unhelpful. Society is never perfect but it can be improved. To just junk it and replace it with a system of condoning the death of those who are distasteful means a leap from th creed of a thug to the creed of a totalitarian state murderer.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
"But then you'd be a local legend, and people might start saying you come back to life once in awhile to help out and be a good samaritan....."

If I got to wear a cape........fine.

-AC

You've made my day. 😱

ON-TOPIC: Well, I think it's fair to say that: PVS would blindly jump in to help the person, (perportedly), and probably get himself killed; BackFire might help, but he might not; AC would probably say, "What a shame", and walk away; same with Ush; SoG would probably try to help PVS; and I'd be the guy on the sidelines saying to himself, "Should I help?" 😉