Originally posted by PVS
so the thought of being sued into povery doesnt frighten you?
well it does me. perhaps i've just seen too many people in the states become victims of complete scumbags who would dare sue the one whom they owe their life.and no ush, i dont think that fear is justification for sitting back and doing nothing. i would certainly put myself in potential legal jeoprody to help someone, who i would pray is not the type of scumbag to turn aroung and bite the hand that saved them. does that solve your 'serious issues' with my priorities?
but i also feel that people are morally obligated to help others who's lives out in jeprody. when people are attacked and possibly killed, it doesnt take like 10-20 minutes, its immediate. the police show up AFTER the fact to assess what HAPPENED and go from there. if they CAN they will certainly kick ass, but most of the time, they cant. its too late.
but whatever, this is what i believe to my core. we are all responsible to help others who are being victimised to such a harsh degree. i'd rather spend a week in the hospital sleeping like a baby because i did the right thing, then spend my life regretting. perhaps im just a freak.
Or a person who would condemn others simply for not wanting to put themsleves at risk, as they have every right not to do so. You claim moral superiority in this.
You are incorrect., No such moral obligation exists for people to put themselves in harm's way, and it is a barbarous and backwards belief to think so. Modern society does not and should not work like that.
And yes, I think that if someone was choking to death in front of me, and I had the skills to save that person, and at any point in that process I thought "I had better not help him, I might get sued... for some obscure reason I do not understand" then damn right I would be disgusted. That is VERY wrong. And it cannot be compared, even for one moment, with the instinctive fear of getting a knife in the chest.
Originally posted by BackFire
I feel society could be improved more if people like that didn't exist, so if someone reacted in that situation by killing him - Then good, the society was just improved by getting rid of a bad person.
And by condoning that means of improving society you destroy it. That is evil. Killing people simply because it is convenient and that person is not liked is the hallmark of a terminally amoral society.
Re: That's it, people officially disgust me
Originally posted by KharmaDogWe live in a world now where no one seems to care anymore, if that had happened even 15 years ago they would have had to peel the attacker off of the floor because people wouldn't have stood there and watched it happen. But not today, I'm sure they would have wnated someone to help them if they were in the same position.
What's the big surprise?! Humans being violent and careless towards each other?! What's new?! Is always been like this and will always be like this. Violence is a part of us. We're basically animals.
As for the incident with the big guy and the woman. Well, it happen and the law will take care of it. No need to drown in a glass of water over this incident.
"And yes, I think that if someone was choking to death in front of me, and I had the skills to save that person, and at any point in that process I thought "I had better not help him, I might get sued... for some obscure reason I do not understand" then damn right I would be disgusted. That is VERY wrong. And it cannot be compared, even for one moment, with the instinctive fear of getting a knife in the chest."
It's the fault of the justice system for allowing someone to be sued for saving another persons life. Blame the system that allows such a silly possibility, not the man for recognizing the possibility.
Originally posted by BackFire
"And yes, I think that if someone was choking to death in front of me, and I had the skills to save that person, and at any point in that process I thought "I had better not help him, I might get sued... for some obscure reason I do not understand" then damn right I would be disgusted. That is VERY wrong. And it cannot be compared, even for one moment, with the instinctive fear of getting a knife in the chest."It's the fault of the justice system for allowing someone to be sued for saving another persons life. Blame the system that allows such a silly possibility, not the man for recognizing the possibility.
I'd blame the man for having it on his mind. It's an artifical fear. it cnanot be compared with the fear of death.
No-one has an instinctive fear of being sued.
actually no, i would not 'jump in'. first thing i would do is seek the help of others...try to break the 'gawking effect' described earlier. a quick "we've got to help him'" "Hes gonna kill him" something of that nature. if all else failed...shit it would depend on the situation. if the guy has a gun and all i can find to grab is a pizza cutter...then i guess i wouldnt. i would have to have a good chance of being effective or whats the point? its not about a macho quest for glory, i would just want to put it to a stop any way possible.
Originally posted by BackFire
I feel society could be improved more if people like that didn't exist, so if someone reacted in that situation by killing him - Then good, the society was just improved by getting rid of a bad person.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
This basically comes down to a question easily answered.Are you responsible for random people?
Answer: No.
You can close the book.
-AC
Well let us know who you are and where you drink so if we see you being unfairly beaten/murdered, we won't intervene soes to not offend your principles.... 😆
No it isn't, it's an intellectual fear. Instinctive fears come from the very base of your mind from birth.
I would accept it if you had been hardcore trained in an educational facility to never do anything that gets you sued- like I, as I say, have been to not intervene with people with severe mental health problems- other than that, such a thought should never enter into your mind.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
This basically comes down to a question easily answered.Are you responsible for random people?
Answer: No.
You can close the book.
-AC
It's pretty much agreed that that's the truthful answer, this thread as now spawned into other fun filled discussions. Such as if curbing can be justified.
Originally posted by PVS
actually no, i would not 'jump in'. first thing i would do is seek the help of others...try to break the 'gawking effect' described earlier. a quick "we've got to help him'" "Hes gonna kill him" something of that nature. if all else failed...shit it would depend on the situation. if the guy has a gun and all i can find to grab is a pizza cutter...then i guess i wouldnt. i would have to have a good chance of being effective or whats the point? its not about a macho quest for glory, i would just want to put it to a stop any way possible.
Well said.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
No it isn't, it's an intellectual fear. Instinctive fears come from the very base of your mind from birth.
Gotcha.
But it's still a valid concern over here, you can get sued for doing anything in the good ol' US. You can't blame a person for taking it into account, blame the system for allowing foolish lawsuits, such as suing someone for saving your life.
However, I'd probably still save the guys life, and if he sued me after, simply regret it. But, then again, if someone is stupid enough to almost choke to death in a restaurant, then chances are they'll do it again, hopefully before the trial starts.
Originally posted by PVS
actually no, i would not 'jump in'. first thing i would do is seek the help of others...try to break the 'gawking effect' described earlier. a quick "we've got to help him'" "Hes gonna kill him" something of that nature. if all else failed...shit it would depend on the situation. if the guy has a gun and all i can find to grab is a pizza cutter...then i guess i wouldnt. i would have to have a good chance of being effective or whats the point? its not about a macho quest for glory, i would just want to put it to a stop any way possible.
That, as I said before, is placing power of justice in the physically capable alone. That is not right. No-one should feel obligated in that manner.