STATIC-X Guitarist Busted On Sex Assault, Kidnapping Charges - Feb. 26, 2005

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
"But she is 14 years old, and for that reason she doesnt think like you do. If YOU were meeting someone YOU would tell your parents. Shes 14 and she doesnt think like that - if she did, she would see the stupidity of her actions and thus she wouldnt have done what she has."

So her actions were stupid yet they are in no way relevant to this case? It's in no way, her fault? Despite her actions being stupid? Funny that.

Your rape comment is completely irrational. Nothing I am saying is as drastic as saying a woman deserves rape for wearing a mini skirt. Once again you blow everything out of proportion WHILE missing my point entirely. Way to go Milla, seems to be quite a habit.

I'm not saying she deserves what she got, nor am I defending him. Get that right.

As for calling him a paedophile, give me a goddamn break. The guy did something wrong and I'm by no means defending him. However, he doesn't pray on underaged kids all the time does he? He doesn't make it his habit, it's not his aim. I'm sure if she were legal he'd have done the exact same thing. The thing that makes me crack up is that due to this ONE case, you and Sadako brand the man a serial paedophile. Who do you think you are?

Don't throw around the label of paedophile, once attached it can't easily be removed. Michael Jackson's reputation is absolutely obliterated now because of people like you branding him something that he probably isn't, before taking into consideration that you might be wrong.

"HE could've averted this by not arranging a meeting. HE could've not shown up."

She could have done both of the same things. Oh but wait, she's 14, she's a "child". She's got the get out of jail free card.

Pfft.

-AC

I think BF pretty much hit the nail on the head. He is solely to blame and he is a peadophile having taken an advantage of a 14 year old child - girl in this case.

My point was exactly apropriate seeing as this is VERY drastic situation of a 38 year old man getting a 14 year old over the internet - as already meantioned her mind is not developed well and enough for her to make decisions like an adult - if she was, she would have been an adult not a child.

On an unrelated note - to you im not Milla, im lil bitchiness. Please respect that 👇

One thing I'd like to bring up...WTF were her parents doing? I cannot believe that they'd actually allow their 14 year old daughter to meet someone off the internet by herself...

Didnt she sneak out? Because that would make more sense to me. That or she lied to them where she's going.

You know, all this "blame the parents" stuff is based soley on guesswork. We don't know how she got out of the house. I doubt her parents knew about it. She probably sneaked out of the house, or lied to them and told them she was going to a friends house or something. I'm almost sure that they didn't just go "oh, you're going to meet an someone you met on the internet who claimed they were in a band you like? Okay, take your coat." Come on.

If she snuck out or lied to her parents about what she was doing, though, don't you think that shows that she knew that what she was doing was wrong? I dunno about you guys, but the only time I ever lied to my parents about where I was going is when I knew I wouldn't be allowed to do it.

And this is a 14 year old. A 14 year old child who is easely persuaded!

If he told her ''dont tell your parents, they probably wont allow it, but i want to meet you, you know i care about you, we're friends'' and the rest of the bullshit those weird internet preditors tell children, then of course she will sneak out.

He has built up a trust - made her trust her - its how internet preditors work.

"He is solely to blame and he is a peadophile having taken an advantage of a 14 year old child - girl in this case."

There's a difference between a sex offender and a paedophile.

Did he specify that he wanted to meet an underaged girl? Nooooo. Would he have done what he did had the girl been 15, 16, 17 or 18? Most likely. If he preyed on younger kids purposefully, he would be a paedophile. Paedophila by definition is having a sexual attraction specifically to underaged kids.

No your point WASN'T appropriate. Saying that what I am implying is just as bad as saying a woman in a mini skirt deserves to be raped is absolutely ridiculous.

Also Backfire, guesswork? I was unaware you were watching the man have sex with the girl. Unless any of us were there, it was all guesswork.

What Lana says is right. If she snuck out then she obviously proves Backfire right in some ways, but also wrong and proves what I'm saying right. She IS making a bad decision BUT she's also aware of it being a bad decision and knowing that her parents would stop her, did so anyway.

EDIT: and one other thing...

"If he told her ''dont tell your parents, they probably wont allow it, but i want to meet you, you know i care about you, we're friends'' and the rest of the bullshit those weird internet preditors tell children, then of course she will sneak out."

Backfire mentioned a word beginning with G and ending in uesswork. Which is what you're doing here. You're assuming a direct course of action which for all we know, might have not happened. You are just going by one age old theory. Which is faulty.

-AC

If he had, indeed, told her not to tell anyone and sneak out, then she CERTAINLY should have realized that this is something she shouldn't be doing. But you're assuming a lot with that argument.

Another thing that hasn't been touched upon, which really surprises me...how do we know that he knew she was only 14? I mean, people all the time lie about who they are on the internet, we don't know if she pretended to be older than she really is.

Yeah, because he never saw a picture of her, and couldnt tell a differance between the 14 year old and an 18 year old in the way she looked and the way she conducted herself and if he couldnt then hes a retard beyond any fixing.

AC > Of course, because sex offender is sooo much better than peadophile. Silly me for implying he was a peadophile, when being a sex offender is ever so better.

To you maybe, to the rest of us its appaling.

Another thing thats truly appaling in this thread is people making up the excuses for a 38 year old man who took advantage of a 14 year old child.

It's not ok for us to say "What if?" Lana.

All that matters clearly is that sex was involved with a girl. As always in these cases.

The fact of the matter is, "oh she snuck out." Then she knew she was doing something wrong and did so anyway. Is the man still to blame? No, not for her actions.

MORE TO THE POINT....and don't skip this:

If he told her "Your parents won't let you" and she didn't stop and think "Hmmm...wait a sec. Why won't my parents let me go? Maybe this IS a bit dodgy", then how can you say she ISN'T to blame? She made a shitty decision. He's in the wrong but she isn't in the clear.

"AC > Of course, because sex offender is sooo much better than peadophile. Silly me for implying he was a peadophile, when being a sex offender is ever so better."

Hahahahaha. Shhh....

When did I say it was better? Go and look through my posts, find where I said it was better. No seriously, please do.

Secondly, I'm making excuses for no one. You are.

As for that complete BS about her conducting herself, laughable.

Infact, why don't you tell me WHY he might not have been able to tell the difference between a 14 year old an an 18 year old. Is it not possible that she........lied?! To impress her idol?! Is it not possible that she dressed it up in the pic?! Or is she an uncontrollable, unaccountable, totally unblameable teen?

Yes.

-AC

Lil -- we don't KNOW if he saw pictures of her, though, because nowhere does it say that he did!!! And I don't know what you're saying about not being able to tell a 14 year old from an 18 year old, because I've seen plenty of 14 year old girls who look several years older. Hell, for all we know, she could have used a fake pic!!! Point is, WE DON'T KNOW. You are making a LOT of assumptions about this. Don't get me wrong, I am in no way condoning what he did, because it WAS wrong. What I am arguing is that the girl should have known better.

It's not ok for us to say "What if?" Lana.

Apparently not...

"What Lana says is right. If she snuck out then she obviously proves Backfire right in some ways, but also wrong and proves what I'm saying right. She IS making a bad decision BUT she's also aware of it being a bad decision and knowing that her parents would stop her, did so anyway."

Doesn't prove anything.

It's still very possible (and likely) that, while knowing her parents wouldn't allow her to go, she, at her young, naive age thought she knew better then her parents (something every teenager is guilty of) and figured it was the RIGHT thing to do, regaurdless of her parents thoughts, because SHE wanted to meet this person.

Now, IF the parents did say "okay, you have fun meeting this stranger you met on the internet, get an autograph for your brother" then they are just as much to blame as the man.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Don't throw around the label of paedophile, once attached it can't easily be removed. Michael Jackson's reputation is absolutely obliterated now because of people like you branding him something that he probably isn't, before taking into consideration that you might be wrong.

Nooooo, dont attach a label of peadophile, attach the one of the sex offender!! If you attach a label of peadophile, you'll ruin a peado, i mean sex offenders reputation!!

Holly shit, how could i!?!

"It's still very possible (and likely) that, while knowing her parents wouldn't allow her to go, she, at her young, naive age thought she knew better then her parents (something every teenager is guilty of) and figured it was the RIGHT thing to do, regaurdless of her parents thoughts, because SHE wanted to meet this person. "

You're just making excuses for her ill judgement. Which it was. You are assuming she had a train of thought that puts her out of the blame. She made the bad call, that's what happened. Is them condoning the meeting not as bad as ignoring it? Hmm.

"Nooooo, dont attach a label of peadophile, attach the one of the sex offender!! If you attach a label of peadophile, you'll ruin a peado, i mean sex offenders reputation!! Holly shit, how could i!?!"

The law states a difference between sex offenses and paedophila.

We both know I didn't say or imply any of what you are saying. Stop making an ass of yourself Lil.

-AC

Originally posted by Silver Stardust
Lil -- we don't KNOW if he saw pictures of her, though, because nowhere does it say that he did!!! And I don't know what you're saying about not being able to tell a 14 year old from an 18 year old, because I've seen plenty of 14 year old girls who look several years older. Hell, for all we know, she could have used a fake pic!!! Point is, WE DON'T KNOW. You are making a LOT of assumptions about this. Don't get me wrong, I am in no way condoning what he did, because it WAS wrong. What I am arguing is that the girl should have known better.

Sorry to say this, but it appears like you're looking for an excuse for this man - it is solely his fault.

I would be really amazed (and appalled frankly) if you could be the one to go up to that 14 year old girl and tell her ''what has happened to you is partly your fault''

But you know, everyone's different.

"You're just making excuses for her ill judgement. Which it was. You are assuming she had a train of thought that puts her out of the blame. She made the bad call, that's what happened."

Yes, she did. My argument this whole time has been that she wasn't able to recognize the bad decision because of her immature mind. Never said her decision wasn't bad.

Backfire: Then she isn't out of the blame is she? No.

She quite clearly knew that there was a right and wrong way, she chose the wrong way. Immaturity is a factor but it doesn't mean she isn't at fault.

You can only make a wrong decision by ignoring the right decision. There can never be just one side of a coin.

Lil Bitchiness: Why are so you hellbent on saying we're making excuses when we've both openly said that he's wrong?

Yes it was partly her fault. We're not saying she deserved it.

-AC

Originally posted by BackFire

Yes, she did. My argument this whole time has been that she wasn't able to recognize the bad decision because of her immature mind. Never said her decision wasn't bad.

I am also not arguing that decision was bad - that shouldnt even be argued as decision WAS bad.

Just like if a person offerers a chocolate or ice cream to a child and asks the kid to go into the truck where there is more sweets, child follows. The decision of a child was bad, but the child doesnt see it that way, it doesnt look at it as bad - its persuaded and conditioned.

The girl was persuaded and conditioned as well as manipulated, just in more complex and sophisticated matter.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Sorry to say this, but it appears like you're looking for an excuse for this man - it is solely his fault.

I would be really amazed (and appalled frankly) if you could be the one to go up to that 14 year old girl and tell her ''what has happened to you is partly your fault''

But you know, everyone's different.

Excuse me? When was I EVER making excuses for him? Thanks for twisting my posts to read what you want them to. I straightout said, in the post you quoted, no less, that was he did was wrong. What my POINT is, is that the girl is not 100% in the clear for what happened. SHE decided to meet a stranger she had met online, which she must have known was not the right thing to do. You're making all sorts of assumptions with your arguments, and when I bring up relevant points in response, mentioning things that could have possibly happened but we don't know about (in other words, pointing out that you're making assumptions and are entirely basing your argument on things we don't know about), I get jumped on. Nice.

"Then she isn't out of the blame is she? No."

Yes, she is. According to anyone that matters children that age are less likely to recognize a bad situation or decision.

"She quite clearly knew that there was a right and wrong way, she chose the wrong way. Immaturity is a factor but it doesn't mean she isn't at fault."

The law says otherwise.

"You can only make a wrong decision by ignoring the right decision. There can never be just one side of a coin."

Well, we're not talking about a coin, we're talking about a teenage girls bad decision that she legaly, technically and logically isn't accountable for. That's all that matters.