Storm vs. Dr. Doom

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
"I know that. I mean that was Doom before he took on the Doom persona that we know today."

So everything was the same and all you are picking holes in is the fact that he didn't have the name "Dr. Doom"?

-AC

Doom in that storyline really didn't even use magic anyway. But what I'm saying is that Doom himself said that he strayed from his magic roots and over-embraced technology. The storyline being referenced above was from before he become the modern Doom who ultimately criticized himself in Unthinkable and gave up on technology. That's all I'm saying. Nothing more, nothing less

I'm not referencing Unthinkable. I just referenced Triumph and Torment, where he FIRST gained his magic ablities. He bested some of the world's top sorcerers with NO prior mystical knowledge, and then was trained by Dr. Strange. And to think he hasn't honed his abilities since he first learned them is pretty stupid.

Why are you throwing these facts aside??

He bested them because he cheated. He used technology to simulate magic. That's hardly proof of his mystical might. He was then trained by Dr. Strange, yes. So what? What did Strange teach him? Did it include putting up an impenetrable forcefield? Hell, how often does Strange himself use impenetrable forcefields?

And the problem is that Doom really HASN'T honed his abilities since he first learned them. That was what he lamented when giving up on technology in Unthinkable. That was why he needed to sell he soul to demons to gain the ability he would have naturally had IF he had really honed his abilities or learned even half of what Strange knew. As it stood, even with those demonic enhancements, he had to ambush Strange.

I'm not casting the facts aside, I'm saying that it doesn't prove anything about his ability to put up an impenetrable mystical field, and only adds rudimentarily to his adeptness in magic in any form.

I'm not really talking about any mystical field, am I? I'm talking about using magic. The technology he used didn't SIMULATE magic, he used actual magic, combined with his technoloy. What technology did he use? An optical recorder that recorded and re-played the movements of the other oponents, so he could do them himself.

Don't make me quote the comic word for word please, because A) it's in my damn mess of a collection and I don't want to look for it, and B) it'll make you look stupid.

The whole purpose of the magic debate was about his ability to create a magic forcefield. What's the point of going into this whole magic debate if it doesn't involve that one key point?

I didn't know about the whole forcefeild thing, I jumped into the thread and was only debating that he could use magic.

Besides, he's created a mystical forcefield before, in the same ****ing issue I've been talking about for the whole time I've been in the damn thread.

When? I don't remember that happening...

Either in the tournament, a beam from the crystal-like thingy came toward him and he blocked it, or while he was in hell blocking something else. It wasn't a big deal, it was liike one panel. Back then every brother and their mother had a mystical forcefield.

No, you're referring to the repel spell he cast. It wasn't a forcefield.

You know, you're right.

And in this battle, Storm/Doom, a repel spell is much, much better than a forcefield.

Thanks for reminding me.

Doesn't repel mean deflect, in so many words?

-AC

Not really. A repel spell is a counter spell that is designed to repel the energy directed at him. Storm isn't shooting energy at him, she's changing the environment on him. The repel spell wouldn't work on that.

Says you.

If she cast a lightning bolt at him, you know she's ****ed. And we all know that lightning is Storm's favorite attack. She does it every chance she gets.

Anyway, what I came here to prove was proven. Doom has magical abilities out the ass, sold soul or not.

"Not really. A repel spell is a counter spell that is designed to repel the energy directed at him."

Yes.....did I not say it means to deflect? There goes any doubt that his shields are a non factor.

-AC

Originally posted by who?-kid
I agree, it's just you.

Not though is it. Was rhetorical as well, so the joke's on you.

If she cast a lightning bolt at him, he wouldn't need a repel spell. His regular shield would do the trick. What I'm saying is she doesn't need to just shoot lightning at him. She's got lots of options.

You didn't need to come here to prove that Unthinkable Doom has lots of magical abilities. We knew that. And your other reference point, his cheating victory in the graphic novel, doesn't show "magical abilities out the ass", either. It shows good use of tech and improv abilities. He was untrained, and we don't know the extent of the training he received from Strange. It wasn't YEARS of training. Can't pick up that much of it....

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
"Not really. A repel spell is a counter spell that is designed to repel the energy directed at him."

Yes.....did I not say it means to deflect? There goes any doubt that his shields are a non factor.

-AC

But that's less effective than an actual forcefield. He's not encircling his body in anyway - he's putting his hand up and repelling the energy. The repel spell isn't a good option against an omnidirectional like Storm, or someone who can effect environmental changes.

Originally posted by demigawd
If she cast a lightning bolt at him, he wouldn't need a repel spell. His regular shield would do the trick. What I'm saying is she doesn't need to just shoot lightning at him. She's got lots of options.

I thought we had narrowed it down to one (theoretical) option.

We did? Which one?

The ol' internal weather malarkey.