Originally posted by demigawdSo now that we've established that Storm can penetrate forcefields, the fact that Doom will or will not have his forcefield up becomes irrevelant. She could affect him anyway.
Where on Earth is the logic in that? That's such a sophistic point.
It's like a boxer saying 'my opponent can punch me in the midsection anyway, so why cover my face?' *walks around like Rocky*
Hmmrm. Busy day.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Exactly. Magneto affect Doom, only until Doom got back up. Completely rendered Magneto's power useless on him, and took it back. If this is how he treats Magneto, what will Storm do?
You're still comparing apples and oranges, here. You just like making me talk about Magneto, don't you?
If he couldn't affect it again like you said in previous quote, why would it have mattered?
I'm not going to turn this into a Magneto vs. Doom debate, but it would have mattered because all Doom did was de-polarize his armor. Magneto could have shifted frequencies like he did when Iron Man did the same thing, forcing Doom to play catch up. He could have subverted Doom's internal electronics, in which case the polarity of the armor becomes meaningless. He could have affected the man THROUGH his armor. But we won't know how much of that he could have or would have done because Doom got teleported away before we could see how Magneto would have responded to Doom's response. So it's a moot point.
Doom could clearly affect Magneto, Magneto could no affect Doom.
Magneto couldn't affect Doom's armor by treating it like a chunk of metal. That's not the same as saying Magneto couldn't affect Doom.
This isn't about those two, BUT, if Magneto couldn't top Doom. Why could Storm? Someone significantly less powerful? She couldn't.
It's not about power levels. It's about the nature of the powers. Doom's forcefield never came into play against Magneto. Doom's forcefield may come into play against Storm. If it doesn't, Storm fries his circuits because...they're circuits. If it does, Storm still fries his circuits, she just does it through the forcefield. The amount of level of power has nothing to do with the very basic notion that electricity fries circuits.
Yep. Coz Doom will stand there and not attack while she does all this. He'd kill her before she had the chance. We all know this.
heh, well, if we're coming down to a test of agility in dodging respective attacks, I'd go with an athletic woman over a middle-aged dude in a suit of armor any day.
"Well, the "new" battleboard rules state neutral ground, no-prep. Thems the rules."Bit of a stupid rule that isn't it. Either way, Doom doesn't stroll around does he? So while we're being realistic, Storm would have to meet him in Latveria. Where he probably has a million and one things waiting for her.
Yeah, I can agree with that. So if we're being realistic, then Storm wouldn't fight Doom by herself because X-men never fight alone. BUT, we've been tasked to come up with scenarios in which Storm would fight Doom. With prep and on his ground, yes, Doom would win. With prep and on any ground, Doom would win. BUT, the rules state that it's on neutral ground and without prep, and I've named a scenario in which Storm would win based upon previous showings of her power. Nothing wrong with that.
"They have a random encounter, Storm beats Doom, Doom goes back, does some muckety muck, owns up Storm next time. I can live with that."Why are you making it as easy as "Random encounter, Storm beats Doom." When is this EVER gonna happen? It's not. Ever. Is it? Hence why he always uses Doom bots.
So what are you saying? That people should only post fights that can realistically happen? That we shouldn't post Doom fights because Doom only uses Doombots? C'mon, now.
How about the Beyonder returns and instantly teleports Doom and Storm to a remote location and says, "FIGHT! NOW! OR EARTH IS DESTROYED!".
There you have it. Random Doom encounter.
This whole debate is based on the chance that Storm MIGHT be able to create something inside his shield before he's decided to wipe her out. Which isn't likely, to me.
But which does seem likely to me. Hence the disagreement. Is there something special about Doom's forcefield that neutralizes internal environmental changes? Something in his forcefield that establishes its own unalterable eco-system?
Originally posted by LordFear
Could someone tell me how Doom who has tasted cosmic powers and wielded it, would be defeated by Ororo? Is this some kind of joke? C'mon people stop screwing around with these threads!!! What the hell can Storm throw at Doom? HUH someone please tell me that
Lightning.
and don't say lightning c'mon
Dammit!
ok, how about changing the air pressure from inside Doom's armor, causes his lungs to collapse. Or changing the temperature inside the forcefield, making it so cold that he'd have to drop it. I could do this for awhile....
Yes, yes, Doom has done this and that. But what you're missing is, he's done this through his inventions. He's prepared and inventing things to give him the means of tasting cosmic power and universal power and all that. That has nothing to do with his ability to do battle in a neutral location with no prep (board rules!)
Where on Earth is the logic in that? That's such a sophistic point.It's like a boxer saying 'my opponent can punch me in the midsection anyway, so why cover my face?' *walks around like Rocky*
I don't get it.
I said that Storm could affect Doom through his forcefield. What that has to do with boxing is beyond me. But if you'd like to elaborate, I won't stop you.
At the risk of turning this into Magneto/Doom, I haven't attended to your points about it. We can do that another time if you wish.
"If it doesn't, Storm fries his circuits because...they're circuits. If it does, Storm still fries his circuits, she just does it through the forcefield. The amount of level of power has nothing to do with the very basic notion that electricity fries circuits."
Well lets go with the more likely chance that he will use his forcefield, why are you assuming he's not gonna take her out before she can affect his circuitry? What makes you think that in Doom's suit, any level of electricity is going to affect it? Do you believe Doom built it and forgot to make it invulnerable to electricity?
"heh, well, if we're coming down to a test of agility in dodging respective attacks, I'd go with an athletic woman over a middle-aged dude in a suit of armor any day."
The only widespread attack Storm has is wind. Doom could and probably would just crack out an attack that will drench the area. Doesn't matter how athletic she is. That's the thing with Doom. He doesn't be precise where he doesn't needs to be. Just over does it, gets all bases covered.
"BUT, the rules state that it's on neutral ground and without prep, and I've named a scenario in which Storm would win based upon previous showings of her power. Nothing wrong with that."
What "RULES"? No offence but what's the point of having rules in a fantasy battle? Some of Marvel's characters, Doom for one, aren't applicable to rules. Those rules are just silly. There are characters who live off prep. What about them? Are they gonna be subject to loss on every battle as a result of these "rules"? Come on.
Either way, going by your quote, it's 2-1 Doom.
"How about the Beyonder returns and instantly teleports Doom and Storm to a remote location and says, "FIGHT! NOW! OR EARTH IS DESTROYED!".
There you have it. Random Doom encounter."
He didn't do that in this fight. Nor did that happen, or would it.
You could also use that random Doom encounter when he popped out to collect the mail and Storm was walking her dog. Or when Doom stepped out for a game of tennis and Storm happened to be mowing his lawn and decided to fight.
Psst, random Doom encounters don't really happen do they?
"Is there something special about Doom's forcefield that neutralizes internal environmental changes? Something in his forcefield that establishes its own unalterable eco-system?"
Is there something in Storm's face that is created to stop an energy bolt going through it? Coz he could do that just as fast.
-AC
Originally posted by stormfront13
listen to demi he's the smart one here- besides if he has hisforce field up then can he really do anything to storm either??
The second clause suggests the value judgment in the first isn't that... valuable.
Originally posted by demigawd
I said that Storm could affect Doom through his forcefield. What that has to do with boxing is beyond me.
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