Storm vs. Dr. Doom

Originally posted by demigawd
I can't believe you're utterly focused on such a minute point.

Well, that was the original point that I mentioned, which you are still denying via massive detours.

Originally posted by demigawd
I think we're in agreement on this.

Then gracefully concede the point.

Originally posted by demigawd NO, it won't limit Storm's effectiveness in any way that will affect the outcome of the battle.

Yes it will. In fact, the only way that statement is correct is if it's technically impossible to reduce 0% effectiveness. Also I note you added a second clause that wasn't previously part of the debate. I think it's called 'weaselling out'. Let's stick to the terms as mentioned.

Removing primary offensive attacks- and let's not kid ourselves, when does Storm create a mini tidal wave inside someone's left ventricle? (NB she doesn't, she flies up and makes it windy)- will reduce her options, and her effectiveness.

Originally posted by demigawd
Even if that point were completely off base (and it's not)

Not relevant. Was pointing out the the statement was incorrect.

Originally posted by demigawd
it hardly collapses my argument. Proving that I said "completely ineffective" instead of "almost completely ineffective" does not cause me to lose the debate.

Again, that's not what I said at any point. I said the point is wrong, and it was a speculative attempt to keep this (frankly ridiculous) thread alive. You tried to discount Doom's forcefield because one attack doesn't fall against it.

Isn't happening.

Seeing as the only part of your post about the fight was the last one, I'll deal with that:

"ok, even accepting that...Storm's attack isn't designed to destroy Doom. It's designed to disable his armor by frying the circuits. You can't compare the two types of attacks any more so than you can compare Galactus blasting Sue and failing to Songbird blasting Sue and succeeding."

Since when did Storm become Electro-Woman? She manipulates the weather, yes. She cannot control the circuitry if she can't get to it. Right?

So if she fires electricity up inside his forcefield, it's gonna get to the metal of his suit, not the circuitry. He has been bombarded before and nothing has happened. She is not capable of specifically targeting his circuitry.

Even so, as Vic rightly pointed out: When does she ever do this? When? When does she fire up a tornado inside a forcefield or anything like that? She doesn't. She got his gauntlet coz his shield was down, had it not been she wouldn't have.

She's not gonna fly around trying to create some kind of mini tornado while Doom is bopping her in the face with energy blasts or at least keeping her busy.

Oh and for the record, Doom's shield isn't like a baby's pushchair cover. It isn't a protective film. It creates a habitat inside that he can survive in whilst being protected. The very notion that Storm could even create something in there is debateable.

-AC

the only attack that his field will protect him from is prolly hail. everything else she should be able to create. storm can create tornado in the field sucking all the oxygen away. he is human, so he needs oxygen to breath, if she keeps this up long enough then she can knock him out. mteal conducts electricity making him vulnerable to it. she can create mist around him so it will be hard for him to see then can do a big attack. it only takes her seconds to freeze someone so she can freeze him in a block of ice, kinda like iceman only a bit slower.

Hahahahahahaha. So hilarious.

Stormfront, leave it to Demi, he's doing alright.

You just make me want to laugh you out of the thread.

Fanboys. Tsk tsk.

-AC

what did I say that was so funny?? ur just so arrogant and your ego won't let you realize that you are wrong

I'm not wrong though, in this case.

You're posting nonsense.

You pretty much agreed with me that she'd lose anyway. So let's not clutter up the thread junior. Maybe they're showing X-Men reruns on Fox Kids, watch that maybe. Grown ups talking.

-AC

you just said ur 19, what makes you seem like your so old cause ur acting like a second grader. demi put up a lot of good points and made me realize that these two are evenly matched.

"you just said ur 19, what makes you seem like your so old cause ur acting like a second grader."

I'm not acting like anything. You're acting like a kid in the playground who doesn't know anything so they just agree with whoever they spoke to last.

Example:

"demi put up a lot of good points and made me realize that these two are evenly matched."

You're a parasitic fanboy. Deal.

-AC

yeah i'm a fanboy,i'll admit that, but storm can win this fight. do you even know anything about storm, cause if you did then you'd realize that shes a lot stronger than you make her out to be. everyone here except demi and i are fully underestimitating storm. she is a lot stronger and smarter than you seem to think. how can doom survive w/ out oxygen. or how can he survive be being in a block of ice. storm will definitley be able to affect him in the forcefield which makes it useless so therefore he wouldn't want to use it. with the wind she can take him off the ground and throw him places just like telekinesis. if he tries to hit her she can evade it, she isn't slow she can move at the speed of mach three and even faster, which means that she can use her wind at the speeds of mach thre or faster. with mach three wind she will prolly be able to pin him to the ground or a surface and then hit him with a lot of lightning overriding his suit. if this doesn't work then she can use hail. hail can be the size of basketballs, and i'm sure that these wouldn't feel that good hitting you at the speed of mach three. even if he is pinned then she can freeze him this way.

"yeah i'm a fanboy,i'll admit that, but storm can win this fight. do you even know anything about storm, cause if you did then you'd realize that shes a lot stronger than you make her out to be. "

I read X-Men for years, I probably know more about Storm than you do. Do you know anything about Doom? No. Shhhh then. You admitted you're a fanboy, anything else is just overkill from now on.

"everyone here except demi and i are fully underestimitating storm. she is a lot stronger and smarter than you seem to think."

No, only you two seem to think she can win. There's a difference. Infact, you admitted she would lose and now you're just going back on it. So it's irrelevant (that means it doesn't matter).

"storm will definitley be able to affect him in the forcefield which makes it useless so therefore he wouldn't want to use it."

Hahahaha. How stupid. This is fun, I don't normally tear fanboys to shreds, to easy. However I'll afford you the luxury.

"with the wind she can take him off the ground and throw him places just like telekinesis. if he tries to hit her she can evade it, she isn't slow she can move at the speed of mach three and even faster, which means that she can use her wind at the speeds of mach thre or faster. with mach three wind she will prolly be able to pin him to the ground or a surface and then hit him with a lot of lightning overriding his suit. if this doesn't work then she can use hail. hail can be the size of basketballs, and i'm sure that these wouldn't feel that good hitting you at the speed of mach three. even if he is pinned then she can freeze him this way."

Just look at all this. Multiple paragraphs of why you think Storm would win. None of them correct, none of them proveable, none of them realistic. All of them pathetic.

Everything you've said has either been said before and proven wrong or is just too dumb for anyone to say.

*RipTearRip*

Now I can continue until you're just a bloody, quivering internet mass or we can go on with your ridiculous, 'I love Storm so much' theories.

Coming from someone who thinks Storm could fight Superman and beat Wonder Woman, your opinions mean nothing.

-AC

there is no way on earth that you know more abpout storm than I do.I never said that she can figt superman cause she would lose. she can beat ww and a lot of people think so otherwise she would have lost to her in the dc vs marvel. yes somethings I said have already been said, and yes i did say she might lose but when you are a storm fan and know a lot about her powers then you know that she has a big chance of winning. all of my theories can be realistic. in a comic storm has blinded cyclops with bright lightning, she can do the same with doom. this gives her a chance for an attack. she can create a flood in seconds by shooting water from her hands and this happened in a comic so i will give you the number of it if you want it. if water gets inside his suit and he is hit w/ lightning then we have major problems storm can evade most lasers that are thrown at her, professor x has taught her how to avoid things well. if storm has a real killing edge and is not afraid to kill then she will win by hitting his eyes with lightning because in most of his suits there are slits for his eyes. storm can do most anything damaging to him, a are we forgetting about the basketball sized hail drops that I mentioned in my other thread??

"there is no way on earth that you know more abpout storm than I do."

There is. By reading more comics. I've been reading X-Men since 1990. You weren't even walking by yourself then kid.

"she can beat ww and a lot of people think so otherwise she would have lost to her in the dc vs marvel."

It was voted for by fans. People like you, so of course she won. Wonder Woman is a female Superman, Storm would be killed. That's comic fact.

"when you are a storm fan and know a lot about her powers then you know that she has a big chance of winning. all of my theories can be realistic. "

Yeah...if they ended with Storm losing. Demi is claiming Storm would win but at least he's coming up with things that might possible, could happen (despite her winning, which wouldn't happen). You are saying "Freeze Doom in ice", "Blow him around with wind." You don't even know who he is. Stop debating against people you don't even know just because you love the character they're fighting. You look like a moron for doing so.

"she can create a flood in seconds by shooting water from her hands and this happened in a comic so i will give you the number of it if you want it. if water gets inside his suit and he is hit w/ lightning then we have major problems "

For crying out loud. Are you actually that thick? Have you not read this thread? She cannot do that to him. It's actually like...I feel my brain cells dying talking to people like you. It's actually mind numbing.

"if storm has a real killing edge and is not afraid to kill then she will win by hitting his eyes with lightning because in most of his suits there are slits for his eyes. storm can do most anything damaging to him, a are we forgetting about the basketball sized hail drops that I mentioned in my other thread??"

What the....? What in the hell are you talking about? She can hit the slits in his face mask?

Some people shouldn't be allowed near a computer.

-AC

Originally posted by stormfront13
there is no way on earth that you know more abpout storm than I do.I never said that she can figt superman cause she would lose. she can beat ww and a lot of people think so otherwise she would have lost to her in the dc vs marvel. yes somethings I said have already been said, and yes i did say she might lose but when you are a storm fan and know a lot about her powers then you know that she has a big chance of winning. all of my theories can be realistic. in a comic storm has blinded cyclops with bright lightning, she can do the same with doom. this gives her a chance for an attack. she can create a flood in seconds by shooting water from her hands and this happened in a comic so i will give you the number of it if you want it. if water gets inside his suit and he is hit w/ lightning then we have major problems storm can evade most lasers that are thrown at her, professor x has taught her how to avoid things well. if storm has a real killing edge and is not afraid to kill then she will win by hitting his eyes with lightning because in most of his suits there are slits for his eyes. storm can do most anything damaging to him, a are we forgetting about the basketball sized hail drops that I mentioned in my other thread??

You may know alot about Storm, but obviously you know nothing about Doom.

If you did, then you'd obviously know right away what the outcome of their encounter would be.

Never thought I'd agree with Fly, but exactly.

Knowing alot about Storm doesn't matter. If you know who Doom is you know there can be but one winner in this fight. Doom.

-AC

alright I am leaving this thread cause ur being so stupid- I have gone to many doom sites and so far they have all said that he has a suit that lets him lift 2 tons, create a forcefield around himself, and shoou concussive blasts from his hands. I have been to like 20 sites that have been updated and this is what they say about him. with these attributes than he seems pretty weak to me. i don't know why everyone thinks he is so powerful cause all the other sites make him seem like a kinda powerful person, not omega like. I have searched his name and gone to a bunch of directories and marvel encyclopedias. and by the way I know almost everything about storm I have studied her since the beginning and I know her like the back of my hand so don't even tell me i don't know anything.

You're just talking about his armor, but he's more.

So much more.

You need other people and websites to tell you about him. You don't know anything about him yourself. Reading websites doesn't give you info, comics do. I've been reading comics since I was in single digits. When it comes to me and you comparing knowledge, I'm Doom, you're Toad in a coma.

You may know everything in the world about Storm, but you clearly know nothing about anything else.

-AC

Goddamn. I go away to grab something to eat and it's a stormfront-eating free-for-all again.

Let's see. Where was I?

Well, that was the original point that I mentioned, which you are still denying via massive detours.

Massive detours? Like what? You're trying to make it seem like you've struck some sort of gold here. I said the fact that Storm can affect the weather within an enclosed space, like a forcefield, makes Doom's forcefield irrevelant". You jumped on it like a dog in heat, saying, "NAH UH! NAH UH! There are things Storm can't do to him when he has his field up, so it's not irrevelant! So there!!!". I then said, "Fine. The fact that Storm can affect the weather within an enclosed space, like a forcefield, makes Doom's forcefield ALMOST irrevelant". That's not a detour - you want to make a big deal out of wordplay, that's on you.

Then gracefully concede the point.

I added in "almost irrevelant" and "nearly ineffective", didn't I? Should I add "please?" to it?

Yes it will. In fact, the only way that statement is correct is if it's technically impossible to reduce 0% effectiveness.

Nonsense. The only thing Doom's forcefield earns him is the inability of Storm to affect him from the outside in. But when Storm can affect the environment inside of Doom's forcefield, what in the holy hell does she care about throwing hail at him? That's like me with a gatling gun trying to rob that boxer from your "analogy" before. Sure, he could say, "I'm a boxer, I've taken punches from the best in the world. You're never gotta punch me out and take my money". Well, TECHNICALLY that's true. And technically, his fighting training will "limit" my options on how to rob him because I couldn't just beat it out of him. But I have a damn gatling gun. I don't give a rats ass about punching him - I'll just shoot him and take his money. lol.

So will Doom's forcefield "limit" Storm's effectiveness? ok, sure, if you wanna play with semantics. But will it affect the outcome of this battle? No more so than my lack of punching power will affect my ability to walk out with your dead boxer's money...

Also I note you added a second clause that wasn't previously part of the debate. I think it's called 'weaselling out'. Let's stick to the terms as mentioned.

I never weasel out of anything - and certainly not against you. What was this second clause that you claim I added that wasn't previously part of the debate? I did no such thing.

Removing primary offensive attacks- and let's not kid ourselves, when does Storm create a mini tidal wave inside someone's left ventricle? (NB she doesn't, she flies up and makes it windy)- will reduce her options, and her effectiveness.

Tidal wave in--? I never said that. I said she could do it from within Doom's forcefield, rendering it ineffective, and even a liability.

Again, that's not what I said at any point. I said the point is wrong, and it was a speculative attempt to keep this (frankly ridiculous) thread alive. You tried to discount Doom's forcefield because one attack doesn't fall against it.

If Storm has 50 attacks and three of them depend on external events that can't be reproduced within a confined space, then who cares about those three attacks? And who cares about the forcefield that blocks them? Of COURSE I'm discounting Doom's forcefield, because there are more things she can do despite the forcefield than she can't do BECAUSE of it. Doom's forcefield, in this fight, is very easily discounted.

Even if it's *only* "almost" completely ineffective.

heh.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
[B]Seeing as the only part of your post about the fight was the last one, I'll deal with that:

"ok, even accepting that...Storm's attack isn't designed to destroy Doom. It's designed to disable his armor by frying the circuits. You can't compare the two types of attacks any more so than you can compare Galactus blasting Sue and failing to Songbird blasting Sue and succeeding."

Since when did Storm become Electro-Woman? She manipulates the weather, yes. She cannot control the circuitry if she can't get to it. Right?

We're agreed on that point. Storm can't control circuitry and she can't fry it if she can't get to it.

So if she fires electricity up inside his forcefield, it's gonna get to the metal of his suit, not the circuitry.

No. It doesn't just "get" the metal of his suit. Electricity doesn't just "get" metal and then go away. It conducts. It'll conduct all through his armor, and in doing so, will extend to the circuitry that's connected to it, shorting it all out. If Doom's skin touches the metal, Doom's a goner too. I'm functioning over the assumption that Doom probably has some non-conductive layer that protects himself from direct contact with metal, otherwise I'd say that it would kill Doom on the spot. That's the effect of electricity on metal. So it'll shut down Doom's suit and all of its offensive and defensive capabilities, making Doom a sitting duck

He has been bombarded before and nothing has happened. She is not capable of specifically targeting his circuitry.

bombarded by electricity? That directly attacked his suit? That's the only thing that matters for the purpose of this debate. As I said before, you can't compare any other type of attack because electricity has a unique effect on metal and circuitry.

Even so, as Vic rightly pointed out: When does she ever do this? When? When does she fire up a tornado inside a forcefield or anything like that? She doesn't. She got his gauntlet coz his shield was down, had it not been she wouldn't have.

Storm electrocuted Unus from the inside out. That's when. If she can control weather from an internal envrionment, as she often does, why wouldn't that include tornados or lightning? It's all the weather - it's all within the scope of her abilities. It's not even a creative stretch.

She's not gonna fly around trying to create some kind of mini tornado while Doom is bopping her in the face with energy blasts or at least keeping her busy.

Of the two of them, Storm has a better array of offensive options at her disposal. She's also the more mobile. In a firefight, Doom would find himself in the defensive more often than Storm would. Storm has every aspect of nature at her command. Doom would fire lots of gauntlet blasts at her. If it hits, she loses. Storm is good at not getting hit. But Storm has more options and means for taking down Doom than vice-versa. Like I said before, Storm doesn't even have to be on the battlefield to fight Doom. She can create a layer of fog to obscure herself. She can create a flash of light to temporarily blind him while she takes cover. She can concentrate on create a storm from within his field, taking him down, and he hasn't even located her yet. And that's for starters. I can think of far more scenarios in personal combat in favor of Storm than against Storm.

Oh and for the record, Doom's shield isn't like a baby's pushchair cover. It isn't a protective film. It creates a habitat inside that he can survive in whilst being protected. The very notion that Storm could even create something in there is debateable.

Noted. She may not. But again, circumstantial evidence shows that because she's done it in similar situations, it stands to reason she could do it against him.

"No. It doesn't just "get" the metal of his suit. Electricity doesn't just "get" metal and then go away. It conducts. It'll conduct all through his armor, and in doing so, will extend to the circuitry that's connected to it, shorting it all out."

Why does it short it out? Coz it worked on the gauntlet? Despite that being ONE time only, on a stand alone piece of his armour? Bit of a large assumption.

"Storm electrocuted Unus from the inside out. That's when. If she can control weather from an internal envrionment, as she often does, why wouldn't that include tornados or lightning? It's all the weather - it's all within the scope of her abilities. It's not even a creative stretch."

You're obviously not understanding the nature of Doom's forcefield.

"Of the two of them, Storm has a better array of offensive options at her disposal. She's also the more mobile. In a firefight, Doom would find himself in the defensive more often than Storm would. Storm has every aspect of nature at her command. Doom would fire lots of gauntlet blasts at her. If it hits, she loses. Storm is good at not getting hit. But Storm has more options and means for taking down Doom than vice-versa. Like I said before, Storm doesn't even have to be on the battlefield to fight Doom. She can create a layer of fog to obscure herself. She can create a flash of light to temporarily blind him while she takes cover. She can concentrate on create a storm from within his field, taking him down, and he hasn't even located her yet. And that's for starters. I can think of far more scenarios in personal combat in favor of Storm than against Storm."

All this is very very pretty but Doom has more weaponry in his suit than the US Army and he's a Master Sorcerer. Storm controls weather. What's she gonna do when Doom casts a spell on her? Blow it away? Freeze it? Die? Pick one.

There's some giant misconception that Doom will stand there going peeow peeow with beams.

He could give Dr. Strange a run for his money. Storm cannot penetrate magic, if he shields himself with that too (which he has done), she's even more incapacitated offensively than before.

Between Doom's infinite arsenal, impeccable defense and insane magical powers, there's more ways for him to kill Storm before she creates anything of offense.

-AC