which mutants are omega level??

Jean being phoenix isn't her mutant power though is it? I mean she's genetically linked with it but her power is telekinesis/telepathy and she has a limit to that even though she's omega.

^^I was pretty sure her ultimate mutation was to be one with the phoenix force, but i may be mistaken. and somewhere i read that to be an omega level tp you have to be able to host the phoenix force, so the omega tp's should be

1)jean
2)quinten
3)rachel
4)possibly the cuckoos

emma wasn't reaLLY a host, she was more of a shel for the PF, so sadly she isn't omega.

and on the storm debating, i have seen a picture of xavier telling her she is, but i can't find the picture. you don't have to believe me, but i saw it so i will believe it. i mean we are all entitled to our own opinions. and yeah i also read that apoc's 12 were all omega's.

Thing is I think omega used to describe the level of destruction a mutant power could cause, in which case The Twelve would be considered omega, but imo it's been redefined to mean powerful mutants with either no limits to their potential or limits that dwarf those of other mutants.

Originally posted by stormfront13
I was pretty sure her ultimate mutation was to be one with the phoenix force, but i may be mistaken.

what does it actually mean to be an omega level mutant?

nobody really knows. there hasn't been a definite description yet

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
That kind of defeats the concept of a mutant though. Bleh, this is all making me not like mutants.

Not really. They're just higher on the evolutionary scale than humans. It makes sense when you think about it. That's what Eternity was getting at in X-Men Forever.

Jean, as an omega psi, has unlimited TP and TK. Apparently all omega TPs are able to access the Phoenix, with Jean being the exception (since she and Phoenix are the same). All of her children at one point or another have been shown to have unlimited psi abilities. At their peak, there really isn't a limit to what they can do (if there is, I can't think of one). Technically they should all be able to live forever, because they can manipulate their bodies on an atomic level.

The term omega was first used to describe mutants that were the "ultimate threat," but Xavier changed the connotation from negative to positive, saying that he preferred to think of them having unlimited potential. That makes sense when you think of people like Phoenix and her children, Mags, Wanda and Franklin, and even Iceman. All but Iceman could easily be cosmic characters.

Originally posted by Cosmic Flame
Not really. They're just higher on the evolutionary scale than humans. It makes sense when you think about it. That's what Eternity was getting at in X-Men Forever

i really doubt that all tp's could access the phoenix, then nocturne and M would also be able to do it which doesn't sound right. where did you hear that, because i heard that only omega level tp's could access the phoenix force. and i don't agree with xaviers description because omega's don't have to be powerful either because strangth is not a factor. and if elexir has omega-level healing abilities then shouldn't dead-girl also have the same?

Originally posted by stormfront13
i really doubt that all tp's could access the phoenix, then nocturne and M would also be able to do it which doesn't sound right. where did you hear that, because i heard that only omega level tp's could access the phoenix force. and i don't agree with xaviers description because omega's don't have to be powerful either because strangth is not a factor. and if elexir has omega-level healing abilities then shouldn't dead-girl also have the same?

This is what I said originally:

Apparently all omega TPs are able to access the Phoenix

Also if you didn't read Fiery's scan from X-Men Forever 4, here's a quote from Xavier's journal:

"Though Hank, Scott and Warren will improve in their use of their abilities, they have essentially reached the apex of the potential inherent in those abilities. Jean and Robert have more complex abilities. Robert, especially, has more potential than he knows. Are they too young yet, too immature, to comprehend the nature of their (how did Fred phrase it) Omega Level Mutant Abilities?

Yet what he called Omega (the last) he meant as regards to an "ultimate threat" while I simply prefer to think of such mutant abilities as unlimited potential. "

Xavier doesn't mention power. Fred does. Who is Fred, btw?

And no, Dead Girl wouldn't be an omega. Don't her regenerative powers only work on her?

she can heal people, but her powers work very well on herself. anything you do to her she can come back from, even if you cut off her head, she can grow a new one. she can simply recover from the most extreme injures easily. and essentially you don't have to be strong to be omega, so i don't know what to believe.

It's not about being strong. And your description of Dead Girl's powers sounds a lot like Wolverine. It's not the healing that makes Elixir an omega. It's how he heals.

and she heals, kinda the same way she heals

Okay, I'm not really an Apoc fan, aside from when Cyke blasted him *way* back in X-Factor with the line 'eyes are windows to the soul'. I just thought that it was a cool way to go out. That aside I have two questions.

1) How does the Celestial tech enhance Apoc?

2) Assuming his longevity/burning bodies out/molecular control was his prior to Celestial enhancements doesn't the fact that no mortal form can long contain his power make him an idea candidate for Omega-ness? That would also lead to why he gathered the Twelve. His powers/potential are so vast that only an Omega's body can possibly contain them and allow him to exercise them to their ultimate (slash unlimited ;-p) potential. The Twelve have had 5000 years of evolution over the first mutant, so maybe their bodies have grown *better* at accomodating their powers, and even being cursed with an 'inferior' 1st gen Omega (possibly) body Apoc still persists?

I don't think his longevity at least is a part of his mutations as he isn't truly one to the Externals, Selene at one point says there are only two left, referring to herself and Candra at the time. There was a miniseries about the origins of Apoc, and if that still holds true then the only mutation he had before celestial tech was enhanced physical attributes (strength speed etc), grey skin and strange facial features.

EDIT: Actually I think he did have molecular control of his body... can't remember though.

The whole peak thing is f'ucking retarded. like tuna said, everyone has a peak or else they can be rivaled against LT or somethin insane. i think the more sane definition of omega is a mutant whos powers are very useful and destructive with an abundancy of it. for example : wolverine is probably one of the best fighters but there is no real usefulness and destructiveness to his powers. on the other hand, iceman can freeze the globe at full power.

I highly thing apocs 12 are all omega, otherwise they wouldn't be omega. and some who agree that most of them are omega but not all - then why would they be on the list of 12?

Generally though, i think you guys are missing the definition of omega - which is why its so complicated to you

Originally posted by HarmoNiC FLo
The whole peak thing is f'ucking retarded. like tuna said, everyone has a peak or else they can be rivaled against LT or somethin insane. i think the more sane definition of omega is a mutant whos powers are very useful and destructive with an abundancy of it. for example : wolverine is probably one of the best fighters but there is no real usefulness and destructiveness to his powers. on the other hand, iceman can freeze the globe at full power.

I highly thing apocs 12 are all omega, otherwise they wouldn't be omega. and some who agree that most of them are omega but not all - then why would they be on the list of 12?

Generally though, i think you guys are missing the definition of omega - which is why its so complicated to you

All of Apoc's 12 are not omega. Do you seriously think that Cyclops is Omega? Or Bishop? Xavier has major telepathic powers, but they are not powerful enough to be in omega class. Living Monolith gets his powers from Havok. Sunfire is somewhat like Human Torch. NOT omega. Apocalypse needed some of the Twelwe because their special positions, not because their powers.

You are clearly missing the defenition of omega.

"In set theory, Omega is the symbol for infinity."

i think what he meant to say is that most of the 12 were omega. but yeah he drew upon all of them becauswe they have powerful different powers for example he chose storm, iceman, and sunfire because they are all elementals

As weird as it sounds, I think Dazzler is possibly omega.

why? she's powerful but I don't think she is an omega level, but i have always wondered myself. i mean she is very powerful

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
That kind of defeats the concept of a mutant though. Bleh, this is all making me not like mutants.

You and me both 🙂