Originally posted by xmarksthespot😱You took the words right out of my mouth...couldn't have posted it better!!!
The four confirmed Omega mutants are:
Quentin Quire
Elixir
Phoenix
IcemanAn important thing that Elixir shows is that the power does not necessarily have to be destructive/offensive in nature.
If you want to define what should be considered an Omega mutant you should instead consider what the common features are between these four mutants.Imo defining Omega has two criteria - type of power and level/potential of power - and both must be fulfilled in order to qualify.
Type of power:
Psionic manipulation of one or more (forms of) components of Marvel reality - matter, energy and consciousness.
Phoenix - matter and energy in general, and consciousness.
Iceman - kinetic energy
Kid Omega - consciousness
Elixir - organic matter, biochemical energeticsLevel of power:
Their powers have the potential to expand in such an exponential fashion that their limits - if they do indeed have limits at all - to what they can do with their powers and to what scale they can use them are so far above other mutants that they effectively have no limits when compared to other mutants. The four confirmed Omega's are at different stages in their powers.
Phoenix has achieved her full potential.
Iceman has achieved some of his potential.
Kid Omega has to an extent as well.
Elixir hasn't yet done anything that impressive.With younger mutants there is more leeway for them to be later revealed as omega mutants. For the old guard I'd say it is unlikely e.g. Xavier is imo a very powerful alpha mutant but not an omega - he's lived about 60 years(?), his powers are pretty much honed to their attainable maximum.
Three of the four have also shown the ability to transcend a corporeal form and exist as a a self-sustaining consciousness that may inhabit inorganic matter and/or energy (with Elixir being the only exception). So the ability to do this as power develops may be a requirement as well. All of the mutants acquired their powers naturally so imo mutants that have been enhanced by technological means should not be considered.
Originally posted by cheshire_smilePLEASE read the posting of xmarksthespot again with all it's implications...and if you then still feel the need to ask those questions of yours, take some more English lessons to enhance your text interpretation and understanding abilities...REALLY!!! ❌
If being an Omega depends on manipulating matter at an atomic level, by this logic would Multiple be an Omega?Also, wouldn't Angel's healing blood bump him from beta to alpha?
Btw...since when is there a defined BETA status...and Warren stated as such a mutant???
Originally posted by wannabe
PLEASE read the posting of xmarksthespot again with all it's implications...and if you then still feel the need to ask those questions of yours, take some more English lessons to enhance your text interpretation and understanding abilities...REALLY!!! ❌Btw...since when is there a defined BETA status...and Warren stated as such a mutant???
WHOA!! 😱
Calm down wannabe 😂
It's still a valid question. Not only does Multiple replicate himself, but he creates new consciousness.
Angel was defined as Beta in one of the first posts of this forum.
And my English is fine, thanks. I don't see what "text interpretation" has to do with this -- I'm pretty sure we're using "Omega" as a scientific class, and the gleaning of which mutants have Omega-level powers doesn't require a lot of interpretation.
i think there's absolutly no question that storm is omega level,,,but worst case scenario she's alpha. i think magneto very much has the potential cuz when he and jacob went at it he as comenting that tho the kid might have more power he had more experience and they both were on the brink of destroying the world when they were figting. so if mags had dedicated himself to unleashing without restraint like his clone had. it wouldnt even be dabateble that he was omega.
also, another person you all seem to have forgotten about is Black Tom. ever since his second mutation this dude can control all forms of plant life, and transfer his consciousness thusly..... basically he's a less marketable swamp thing, and extremely powerful.
also i would be willing to throw in Selene the black Queen, Xorn, madelyn pryor, and of course Exodus, and Hyperion...especially since he's an eternal.
alot of you may not agree with this list but
black tom
Xorn
Selene
Exodus are definatley Omega Level
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
WHOA!! 😱Calm down wannabe 😂
Originally posted by cheshire_smile😮 i apologize! I think i overreacted a little but still the UNDERSTANDING of a text is a delicate thing and you seemed not to be able to achieve it with this one.
It's still a valid question. Not only does Multiple replicate himself, but he creates new consciousness.Angel was defined as Beta in one of the first posts of this forum.
And my English is fine, thanks. I don't see what "text interpretation" has to do with this -- I'm pretty sure we're using "Omega" as a scientific class, and the gleaning of which mutants have Omega-level powers doesn't require a lot of interpretation.
Storm, Exodus, Selene, Xorn, Black Tom...perhaps, but in which way has Multiple matter, energy or consciousness manipulating powers?! Yes, he can replicate himself, but ONLY himself! There are no powers to him that manipulate matter, energy or consciousness of anything/anyone else...which all stated and possible omegas DO have!
Originally posted by manjaro
i think there's absolutly no question that storm is omega level,,,but worst case scenario she's alpha. i think magneto very much has the potential cuz when he and jacob went at it he as comenting that tho the kid might have more power he had more experience and they both were on the brink of destroying the world when they were figting. so if mags had dedicated himself to unleashing without restraint like his clone had. it wouldnt even be dabateble that he was omega.also, another person you all seem to have forgotten about is Black Tom. ever since his second mutation this dude can control all forms of plant life, and transfer his consciousness thusly..... basically he's a less marketable swamp thing, and extremely powerful.
also i would be willing to throw in Selene the black Queen, Xorn, madelyn pryor, and of course Exodus, and Hyperion...especially since he's an eternal.
alot of you may not agree with this list but
black tom
Xorn
Selene
Exodus are definatley Omega Level
All those people you listed are alphas. Omegas all about potential, nature of power. Just being powerful doesnt cut it. Omegas are those closest to genetically to reaching the stage of final mutation. The endpoint where humanity transcends the physical. It was discussed in X-men Forever. While sheer power is usually inherent with omega abilities it isnt a factor which defines who is and isnt an omega. Also secondary mutations dont make you an omega.
Im not attacking anyone im just contributing like everyone else. 😄
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
There are four confirmed Omegas. Iceman, Phoenix, Kid Omega and Elixir. "Omega" means the end. There is no "above Omega."Gambit formerly had Omega potential. He no longer does.
gambit doesnt have the power but he still has the POTENTIAL, franklin has shown to be more powerful than any other omega
Originally posted by leonheartmm
gambit doesnt have the power but he still has the POTENTIAL, franklin has shown to be more powerful than any other omega
We dont even know that Gambit as New Son was an omega because it wasnt actually stated. We're just speculating because of the powers New Son displayed. Therefore we cant say Gambit was an omega in this thread. We just dont know.
Franklin hasnt even been confirmed as an omega so that comment is puzzling. His powers make it very likely from our understanding of what having omega potential entails, but until its stated we cant go around saying he is an omega. Also both Jean and Rachel are confimed omegas. Jean is stated as the ultimate potential/mutation Franklin could never be more powerful.
Omaga Mutants
Ok I know this thread has been done and the confirmed omegas are
Jean Grey
Bobby Drake
Quentin Quire
Elixer
but what about franklin richards? He is described to be unlike anyother mutant before him. Surely he is an omega if he can create pocket universes and such none of the other omegas have that sort of power but jean.