which mutants are omega level??

Originally posted by HarmoNiC FLo
The whole peak thing is f'ucking retarded. like tuna said, everyone has a peak or else they can be rivaled against LT or somethin insane. i think the more sane definition of omega is a mutant whos powers are very useful and destructive with an abundancy of it. for example : wolverine is probably one of the best fighters but there is no real usefulness and destructiveness to his powers. on the other hand, iceman can freeze the globe at full power.

I highly thing apocs 12 are all omega, otherwise they wouldn't be omega. and some who agree that most of them are omega but not all - then why would they be on the list of 12?

Generally though, i think you guys are missing the definition of omega - which is why its so complicated to you

So true 🙂

Originally posted by HarmoNiC FLo
I highly thing apocs 12 are all omega, otherwise they wouldn't be omega. and some who agree that most of them are omega but not all - then why would they be on the list of 12?

The Twelve were not only chosen for their mutant powers but also for the Jungian archetypes they represented which consisted of:
[list]
[*]Magneto and Polaris, representing opposing magnetic poles
[*]Storm, Sunfire and Iceman, representing elementals
[*]Cyclops, Phoenix and Cable, representing family as Father, Mother [*]and Son
[*]Bishop and Mikhail Rasputin, representing Time and Space, respectively
[*]Professor X, representing the mind
[*]with the Living Monolith as the core
[/list]

Originally posted by stormfront13
why? she's powerful but I don't think she is an omega level, but i have always wondered myself. i mean she is very powerful

I don't think she has any physical limitations with sound-to-light conversions. Sounds Omega to me.

Originally posted by pisqon
I don't think she has any physical limitations with sound-to-light conversions. Sounds Omega to me.

She actually used up her energy, fainted, he burried her, and she was able to gather enough sound from the ambient sounds?

Well, since this is potential she might be able to over come that physical limitation she had. . .

🤨 What in Dazzler's history suggests in any way that she could be an omega?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
🤨 What in Dazzler's history suggests in any way that she could be an omega?

Thought I'd bring this over here, see what you guys thought of it:

Originally posted by jubileefan19
I believe Jubilee was stated to have the ability to detonate matter at an atomic level. This was featured more prominently in the Age of Apocolypse. In Gambit and The X-Ternals, Jubilee is running through underground tunnels and the caption states something along the lines that she, "Is not a firecracker...she is an atom bomb. She has the ability to blow up these tunnels and take down the entire city above her... but that won't mend her broken heart." That is what I remember the caption saying... it's not word for word, but you get the idea.
I also believe in some of her early 90's appearances it was stated that she could possibly have great power potential.
In Generation X, Emma Frost stated that Jubilee basically can detonate matter at an atomic level, but she doesn't feel the desire to.

Jubes has blown up the Mandarin's mansion, Proudstar Hall in Gen X, and Hunter Brawn's warehouse... all by becoming enraged. Not to mention desintegrating clothing and armor to knock enemies unconscious, shattering steel, defeating Sauron and Emplate single-handedly among others, and blowing up solid objects ever so easily.

I feel this would probably classify her as an omega mutant(but I'm not sure on how that class is determined.)

Isn't it funny how I as a fan can know and recall this information in the vague sense that I stated it, but many writers seem to either ignore, forget, or just plain not care about Jubilee's true ability?

Originally posted by The Wolf
In New Mutants Vol.2 #12, according to Beast, Josh is an Omega level mutant because he is able to manipulate a persons body at a genetic level in order to heal them. Beast does not say he's omega because he can potentially destroy stars (which is ridiculous given his current powers) communicate over galaxies or create universes etc etc which is what has been offered so far as Omega class characteristics.

Josh is Omega now because he can manipulate genes - nothing has been said that he is omega because with training he may be able to create universes or something. Those sorts of powers therefore, are not prerequisites.

Perhaps it may be argued that because Jubilee can only destroy as opposed to create at an atomic level she is not omega - i don't know.

Originally posted by The Wolf
does jubes have this limitations? you know, making things explode from a distance, like how far? how much detonating powers does she have? could she probably destroy heavenly bodies with the said powers?

Well, if you take that arguement then Josh cannot be Omega either. His power is limited by having to touch the other person before he can heal them. What we get from Josh's classification then is that having limitations doesn't disqualify the power from being Omega level.

My 2 cents is that Omega level means the ability to manipulate genes or smaller matter (eg. Iceman and water molocules; Jean and all that stuff she talked about manipulating atoms while trapped with Logan in NXM 150 (maybe mentioned earlier - have been absent for a while) ) That's like the common thread.

Originally posted by jubileefan19
wow- this is a pretty good discussion-

I've never seen Jubilee's powers wear out from usage- and she can control them mentally to travel through groups of people or to move through hallways and turn corners before having them explode on command. If she doesn't want them to explode, then they dissipate into thin air. She said it herself in her solo series that she can, "Combust molecules and make them explode..."
but if that doesn't classify her as Omega, she has definately got to be Alpha level.

Originally posted by jubileefan19
ok i found what i was looking for if this helps to be able to determine if jubilee is close to being at least omega or possible alpha levels.

X-men Vol. 1 #36 pg. 23

Emma Frost to Everett Thomas aka Synch..RIP "...You must see Jubilee through my eyes to access her pyrokinetic abilities with your own powers---and use HER mutant gift in ways that SHE has been AFRAID to! In short by DETONATING the very MATTER with which these techno-organic beings are composed of on a SUB-ATOMIC LEVEL!!"

Good old Fabian Nicieza, too bad nobody is using her like this anymore, its all been boiled down to i have "light" powers with which to bling people.

Sorry, getting off topic, so does that help any being able to identify her level anymore?

well even though I didn't know Jubilee's power was that of being able to 'BLING' people, since she's not a rapper... I am happy to finally read exactly what Emma said about Jubilee 😄 as we stated earlier, Jubilee is probably a level down from Omega- I think it was alpha.

Originally posted by jubileefan19
because she got afraid of when she used them to her fullest in the past... she blew up the Mandarin's mansion, saved Wolverine and Psylocke, and took out all of the bad guys in the area. She just doesn't want to hurt anyone she cares about.
In the Gen X issue titled, "the power, the fury, Jubilee unleashed!!!"- Jubilee literally unleashes a devastating volley of plasmoids while trying to escape from the Hulkbuster Base during OZT. Dozens of fireworks literally bounced off of objects and hurled themselves at armed gaurds with heavy body armor... knocking them out and sending them for a ride. Jubes could have escaped but realized those men would die unless she helped them. So instead of escaping, she risked her life to give cpr to the gaurds she nearly killed.
I feel that shows Jubilee's true character- and is one of the reasons why she is my favorite superhero.
kevin

what site if that stuff from?

Originally posted by stormfront13
what site if that stuff from?

I'm just curious as to the thoughts about the thoughts shown here.

Thats some pretty cool stuff creshock. I really hope the writers expore jubes more in the future. Too many people find her annoying and write her off as a weekling. I really hope theres a good writer out there thatt can finally do jubilee justice. she has so much potential.

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
That kind of defeats the concept of a mutant though. Bleh, this is all making me not like mutants.

So true Swanky Phoenix is an incredibly stupid idea, its nice to see her beaten 🙂

"jgg"

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
So true Swanky Phoenix is an incredibly stupid idea, its nice to see her beaten 🙂

"jgg"

omega mutants{in my opinion}

franklin richards{may even be beyond omega level, i dont even think he is a regular mutant at all}
nate grey{definitely omega}
cable{same}
proteus{same}
legion{same}
scarlet witch{same}
magneto{probably}
jean grey{proven}
gambit{definitely}
iceman{proven}
magma{almost definitely}
storm{quite possible}
jubilee{maybe}
pyro{possible}

thas about it, i dont think ALL of the mutants in apocalypse's 12 list were omega because they have not shown that sort of power

btw what do u think would be the upgrades if TOAD and NIGHTCRAWLER became omega level mutants, lol.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
omega mutants{in my opinion}

franklin richards{may even be beyond omega level, i dont even think he is a regular mutant at all}
nate grey{definitely omega}
cable{same}
proteus{same}
legion{same}
scarlet witch{same}
magneto{probably}
jean grey{proven}
gambit{definitely}
iceman{proven}
magma{almost definitely}
storm{quite possible}
jubilee{maybe}
pyro{possible}

thas about it, i dont think ALL of the mutants in apocalypse's 12 list were omega because they have not shown that sort of power

btw what do u think would be the upgrades if TOAD and NIGHTCRAWLER became omega level mutants, lol.

There is no mutant level beyond omega level Leon, hence its name. (THE LAST)

Magneto is not an omega he is an alpha. Omega isnt really about power at all Leon. Your list suggests you're under that misconception.

Originally posted by Creshosk
That didn't sound hateful at all. . . 😄

no it sounded sensible, hate is far to stronger emotion and one I have for noone, except it 🙂 Let your hate go you will feel better🙂

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
no it sounded sensible, hate is far to stronger emotion and one I have for noone, except it 🙂 Let your hate go you will feel better🙂

Somewhat ironic 😱 😂

Originally posted by leonheartmm
omega mutants{in my opinion}

franklin richards{may even be beyond omega level, i dont even think

Hahaha, that was funny, beyond. Now it's only proven that EJan and RAchel are omega and few othres.

The four confirmed Omega mutants are:
Quentin Quire
Elixir
Phoenix
Iceman

An important thing that Elixir shows is that the power does not necessarily have to be destructive/offensive in nature.
If you want to define what should be considered an Omega mutant you should instead consider what the common features are between these four mutants.

Imo defining Omega has two criteria - type of power and level/potential of power - and both must be fulfilled in order to qualify.

Type of power:
Psionic manipulation of one or more (forms of) components of Marvel reality - matter, energy and consciousness.
Phoenix - matter and energy in general, and consciousness.
Iceman - kinetic energy
Kid Omega - consciousness
Elixir - organic matter, biochemical energetics

Level of power:
Their powers have the potential to expand in such an exponential fashion that their limits - if they do indeed have limits at all - to what they can do with their powers and to what scale they can use them are so far above other mutants that they effectively have no limits when compared to other mutants. The four confirmed Omega's are at different stages in their powers.
Phoenix has achieved her full potential.
Iceman has achieved some of his potential.
Kid Omega has to an extent as well.
Elixir hasn't yet done anything that impressive.

With younger mutants there is more leeway for them to be later revealed as omega mutants. For the old guard I'd say it is unlikely e.g. Xavier is imo a very powerful alpha mutant but not an omega - he's lived about 60 years(?), his powers are pretty much honed to their attainable maximum.

Three of the four have also shown the ability to transcend a corporeal form and exist as a a self-sustaining consciousness that may inhabit inorganic matter and/or energy (with Elixir being the only exception). So the ability to do this as power develops may be a requirement as well. All of the mutants acquired their powers naturally so imo mutants that have been enhanced by technological means should not be considered.

Nice post, xmarksthespot.

Originally posted by Cosmic Flame
Nice post, xmarksthespot.

The Grey/Summers children probably have the best odds.