"I'm waiting for the day that they decide Professor X can walk. Goes away for a bit and comes back as a Bruce Lee leveled martial artist.
It's not unlikely in the hands of X-Men writers."
lol, x-men writers do make it so that after an absense the characters come back insanely powerful but thats kinda cool considering how everyone makes the x-men out to be lame which i dont think they are
Yeah but they are. That's exactly why they write like that. To make them not lame. If you don't want em lame, don't create them lame.
Spider-Man has never had to go on holiday to come back with major powers coz he's the man anyway. It only happens with X-Men coz they need it.
It hasn't happened to Storm or anyone with decent power anyway (under 5 of them). It happens to shitty Ice-Man.
Anyway, Storm. I don't buy how a guy who threw snowballs as a power can now freeze veins.
-AC
Storm is naturally immune to temperature extremes. Insta-freeze attacks on her wouldn't quickly incapacitate her. Iceman, on the other hand, being composed of ice against a lightning wielder, would be susceptible to electrolysis: an electric current running through water that breaks the chemical bonds and reduces the compound to it's base elements, oxygen and hydrogen.
I'd take Storm.
this is a pretty anti-X-character board, but it clearly doesn't reflect the overall sentiment in the comic world. I think it's perfectly reasonable that Iceman would grow into his powers. They're elementals - there's essentially no real definition to their powers, so going from just being able to throw snowballs to being able to control all ambient temperature is almost a natural progression of power, IMHO.
To control ambient temperature is certainly a conceivable development, if we're being technical.
Controlling veins isn't. It's not an anti-X Character board. I'm not even Anti-X-Men, I like some of the characters that have been in the comics and in the team. I have no fan feeling towards a team constantly changed, milked for cash, messed up, fixed, then messed up again and then to finally save them, they give a snowball thrower Godlike powers.
There's an entire X-Men forum. If you want unbridled Pro-X-Men stuff, go there. This is Vs, so if you put them against someone who's gonna beat them, then I'll say so.
-AC
But you yourself said that it's a reasonable evolution to control ambient temperature. If you believe that's reasonable, then you HAVE to accept that part of controlling ambient temperature is being able to freeze the human body, or parts of it - because the human body DOES freeze in cold temperature.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
His power was the ability to more or less, throw snowballs. Now he can psionically freeze the blood in your veins.Realistic? Hardly. Pathetic when you break it down really.
-AC
its been a gradual process over about forty years, he was 14 when he started, his powers have been growing and evolving since then...
its not that far fetched...
So what? Each comic has DOZENS of writers. OF COURSE, they're not all conceived the same way. But that's true with every comic - a character evolves, s/he discovers new things about himself, things s/he can do that he didn't realize he can do.
I'm a musician by talent. I didn't know I had the potential to be a technology consultant - I always figured I sucked at the left brain stuff. Lo and behold...I was wrong.
This is no different.
"So what? Each comic has DOZENS of writers. OF COURSE, they're not all conceived the same way. But that's true with every comic - a character evolves, s/he discovers new things about himself, things s/he can do that he didn't realize he can do."
I'm talking about when he was created by his creator. Not when a writer (and it's no coincident who gave him these psionic powers) decides that he's gonna make a character Godlike.
"I'm a musician by talent. I didn't know I had the potential to be a technology consultant - I always figured I sucked at the left brain stuff. Lo and behold...I was wrong."
Talk about height of irrelevance. You can go and learn how to be a technological consultant. You were born with the potential to learn almost anything you want. Ice-Man wasn't created with the potential to control all ambient temperature. Rather silly.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
"its been a gradual process oover about forty years, he was 14 when he started, his powers have been growing and evolving since then..."Really? Or is that just what they told you when he came back and said "Guys, look what I can do now"?
Yeah.
-AC
no, its a case of them not being just having their powers...
the avengers, the fantastic four and practically every other hero has had the same powers since their inception...
the x-men were created in the sixties... all the original members, cyclops, jean, beast, angel and iceman have grown up and evolved... they started as teens, most heroes don't...
is it so hard to conceive that they are eveolving, which is a given being that they are mutants?
yes there has been some god awful writing over the years, but there has been some great writing too...
x-men are different from other comics... simple...
"the x-men were created in the sixties... all the original members, cyclops, jean, beast, angel and iceman have grown up and evolved... they started as teens, most heroes don't... is it so hard to conceive that they are eveolving, which is a given being that they are mutants? yes there has been some god awful writing over the years, but there has been some great writing too... x-men are different from other comics... simple..."
The evolution is assumed. It's an assumption. You are assuming Ice-Man was always evolving just because you were told he was when he got those powers. Never was I given a reason to believe he was evolving. In all the X-Men, X-Force, X-Factor I ever read he was Ice-Man. Just strolling around on slides. Not freezing blood.
The fact that there has been some great writing (which there has, I love some X-Men stuff) doesn't change the fact that Ice-Man having Godlike powers is terrible. He comes back and says "Those 40 years? When I never changed? Yeah. Secretly evolving. Unknown to you. No other writer believes me, except one."
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
"So what? Each comic has DOZENS of writers. OF COURSE, they're not all conceived the same way. But that's true with every comic - a character evolves, s/he discovers new things about himself, things s/he can do that he didn't realize he can do."I'm talking about when he was created by his creator. Not when a writer (and it's no coincident who gave him these psionic powers) decides that he's gonna make a character Godlike.
don't even go there. Iceman's power up had absolutely NOTHING to do with Claremont. Claremont has almost NEVER written Iceman.
You're showing your bias if you think for a second that he and other X-men are the only characters who have exceeded the powers envisioned for them by their creators. Superman couldn't even fly when he was conceived. Graviton couldn't create blackholes when he was conceived. Spider-Man can now create organic webs. Torch wasn't conceived with the ability to make fire dopplegangers of himself or absorb heat. Invisible "Girl" didn't become a powerhouse for years. Thanos was beaten by Spider-Man and taken away in handcuffs by the police!!! C'mon man...be reasonable.
"I'm a musician by talent. I didn't know I had the potential to be a technology consultant - I always figured I sucked at the left brain stuff. Lo and behold...I was wrong."Talk about height of irrelevance. You can go and learn how to be a technological consultant. You were born with the potential to learn almost anything you want.
But, there are things that you naturally have talent in and things you don't think you can do until you realize you could all along. That's my point and that's describes Iceman to a T.
Ice-Man wasn't created with the potential to control all ambient temperature. Rather silly.
Nothing silly about it at all. People often don't know their potential until they realize it.
"Superman couldn't even fly when he was conceived. Graviton couldn't create blackholes when he was conceived. Spider-Man can now create organic "
Superman, was the generic Superhero. Every superhero worth their salt had flying ability then. Gravity is part of black holes. Spider-Man can create organic webs. Whilst I think that's a BS and don't agree with it really, given the history, I can see why it's done. Ice-Man went from throwing snow to freezing blood in veins.
"Thanos was beaten by Spider-Man and taken away in handcuffs by the police!!! C'mon man...be reasonable."
As proven in the other thread, you obviously feel you have to accept shit writing. I don't.
"But, there are things that you naturally have talent in and things you don't think you can do until you realize you could all along. That's my point and that's describes Iceman to a T."
No there's not. It just means you'll be better. Hendrix had natural talent. I could become a guitarist. I don't have the potential to be a Hendrix.
"Nothing silly about it at all. People often don't know their potential until they realize it."
Who believed Ice-Man had that power before he actually got it given to him? No one I knew. Don't try and tell me you sat there through the 90s and said "This guy....he has the potential to freeze blood and stuff".
-AC