Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
"Obviously, if that was all he could do, he couldn't create ice, right? And if can create ice, that means he has control over temperatures, right? And if he can control temperatures, then he can make people feel cold, right? And if he can make people feel cold...he can FREEZE THEIR BODIES, right? I'm completely missing why you find this so hard to believe."There is a difference between controlling something connected to you and something completely independant of you. Like I said to you, if I was given consistant proof over the years of him developing, yes. Even if I didn't agree I'd acknowledge it as credible. He didn't, he went away and came back as some demi-God. No pun intended.
Read what I wrote - I said that Iceman can control temperatures, I said Iceman has ALWAYS been able to control temperatures, even in his earliest appearance. You said earlier that even YOU accept the fact that he can control ambient temperature in the environment. So whether he can control something independent of him is not up for debate - that's how he's been creating his ice bridges and ice blasts all this time - he's been controlling something independent of himself.
Secondly, that's not how it happened. He didn't go away and come back a demi-god. Here's EXACTLY how his evolution took place, and if you can't accept this as 20 years in the making, then you're just being stubborn:
1. Loki increased Bobby's powers IN THE 80s to the point where he froze everything he touched. He had to have a belt designed to CONTROL his powers, so that he DIDN'T freeze everything he touched.
2. Mikhail Rasputin later used his reality-warping powers to force Iceman into his full Ice state, instead of just covering himself with snow. Iceman learned afterwards that it was something he could always do, but Mikhail forced it out of him - it was his first glimpse into his potential. And this was IN THE 80s. He learned how to bulk himself up, turn completely into ice, and even levitate without using his ice bridge (but he doesn't really use that power anymore).
3. Years later, Emma's mind was transferred into his body, and she went crazy with his powers, doing all kinds of incredible stuff. When Bobby got his mind back, he kept having visions of what she was doing as him - and he finally went to her for help, where she helped him reform from having his chest blown up.
4. He also went to Storm for help on better ways of harnessing his power. This was in the 90s. She helped him perceive the world in terms of temperatures, and having the ability to affect those temperatures to both decrease (which he already knew) or...to INCREASE.
5. Finally, when he was selected as by Prosh as part of a team to defeat the Stranger, who corrupted his program, Prosh pushed Iceman's powers to their ultimate potential, which included the ability to disperse into water molecules and reappear from great distances, and to reform himself after being vaporized.
So in other words, you whole contention that he just appeared one day with all these powers is ill-informed.
BUT - you did say that if you were provided with proof that his evolution was gradual, you'd accept it even if you didn't agree with it. I just showed you 20 years worth of evolution - do you accept it?