Originally posted by Lord Evolution
Tmac has accomplised way more
Like leading the Magic to a 21-61 record? 😉
Honestly, lets compare this year's LeBron to last year's McGrady (since that was his last healthy season):
LeBron (1st column), McGrady (2nd)
PPG: 31.4 / 25.7
REB: 7 / 6.2
Ast: 6.6 / 5.7
Stls: 1.56 / 1.73
Blk: .84 / .67
FG%: 48.0 / 40.6
3%: 33.5 / 32.6
its not about the numbers if thats the case iverson would be better than lebron and that aint true
once again the east is the easier conference and its extremely easy to make the playoffs in the east. a .500 team can win a division in the east .the rockets last year when tmac was healthy had a better record than the cavs this year. Even though HOU played teams like the Spurs Mavs Suns 4 times a season and play in the hardest disvision in the NBA. those stats you put up didnt show that now did it
and Lebron is in the same division of one the most elite teams in the past 3 years, and this isn't 3 years ago, The East is just as stong as the West, This isn't the dominate Western Conference of past times, and lets not foget that T-Mac played for the East when they were at it's weakest, and he still couldn't do any damage in the playoffs, T-Mac is a great player but he didn't even get any playing time his rookie year, Lebron was a Franchise player his rookie year, compare T-Mac's first 3 years to the league than compare LeBron's, Lebron has him beat in points, points per game, more 40 point games, he even beats him in wins....and just for the record i'm not even a big T-mac or Lebron Fan, i enjoy watching them play, but thats about it
who cares about what they did their rookie year!!!!! for tmac that was like 9 years ago, expectations werent that high for high school players so lets not even go there. players like tmac kobe and KG made the expectations high for high school players coming out in the future, like Lebron....
Its about what there doing right now and right now im liking tmac over lebron, not for what he did his rookie year but what hes doing right now. Ill admit in a few years lebron is goin to be a great player possibly move to #2 but as of right now hes not the complete and total package tmac is... and thats saying a lot. Lebron is puttin up numbers but im not ready to put him ahead of tmac not just yet, and whats this nonsense i hear about lebron being better than jordan or the next. Right now kobe is the best player in the league and if your gonna pick out a player in the nba thats jordan like its kobe. but now peeps saying Lebron is better than jordan..yup OK BANDWAGON. wtf???
When tmac played the pistons they were one of the best in the east so even though the east was weak he still played one of the best teams so lets not make it so like he was playing this years wizards who barely made the playoffs. Im surpised the cavs didnt sweep the wizards.
i]Originally posted by Lord Evolution [/i]
"who cares about what they did their rookie year!!!!! for tmac that was like 9 years ago, expectations werent that high for high school players so lets not even go there. players like tmac kobe and KG made the expectations high for high school players coming out in the future, like Lebron...."
awwww, did i hit a nerve 🙁 ......so are you sayin T-Mac, Kobe, and KG deserve credit for LeBron coming out of high school.., because i'm sure it had nothing to do with LeBron's talent....T-Mac, KG, and Kobe didn't make expectations high for high school players, the players play does that all on there own, for every KG there is a Kwame Brown, for every Kobe there is a Tyson Chandlor
i]Originally posted by Lord Evolution [/i]
"Its about what there doing right now and right now im liking tmac over lebron, not for what he did his rookie year but what hes doing right now. Ill admit in a few years lebron is goin to be a great player possibly move to #2 but as of right now hes not the complete and total package tmac is... and thats saying a lot. Lebron is puttin up numbers but im not ready to put him ahead of tmac not just yet, and whats this nonsense i hear about lebron being better than jordan or the next. Right now kobe is the best player in the league and if your gonna pick out a player in the nba thats jordan like its kobe. but now peeps saying Lebron is better than jordan..yup OK BANDWAGON. wtf???"
oh so its about who's better right now, my bad.....so T-Mac is in the playoffs righ now, not Lebron, and that was T-Mac who was an MVP Canidate this year as in "Right Now" and not LeBron, its so clear now 🙂
i]Originally posted by Lord Evolution [/i]
" When tmac played the pistons they were one of the best in the east so even though the east was weak he still played one of the best teams so lets not make it so like he was playing this years wizards who barely made the playoffs. Im surpised the cavs didnt sweep the wizards. "
yea when T-Mac played the Pistons they were one of the best in the East which at the time wasn't saying much because the East was pathetic, right now with Lebron playing against them they'rre the best in the LEAGUE, just a tad bit different
Wuta is right. RIGHT NOW Lebron is better. And he was better before than, and he will always be better. Who cares about a rookie year? What did T-mac have a bad year or something? So you just skip that year? I don't think so.
Numbers are true, they just don't tell the whole story. Iverson is amazingly good, and his numbers prove it. But his team's success makes him not as good as he could be.
Lebron's numbers prove that Lebron is better, and he is only in his 3rd year. As far as playoff success, he has already beat McGrady I believe since Mcgrady can't make it past the first round. Lebron is winning all these game by himself. Lebron doesn't Yao, who some people consider the 3rd best Center.
Oh and the Wizards would beat the Rockets in a playoffs series. That reminds me, Gilber Areanas IMO is better than T-Mac also.
Vince Carter was forcing triple-teams, making it much easier to pass to an open teammate than make another improbable shot.
that is from an article and if you watched the nets series against the heat you clearly saw that as a true statement. the reason im saying this is because im referring to this topic as me and darth royke were discussing it much earlier...when darth royke thought that double or even triple teaming carter with j-kidd and jefferson on the floor was suicide.
im saying their rookie season doesnt matter because we arent comparing rookie careers right now, yea lebron would win if you did that but who cares, we're talkin bout what kind of a player they are right now. Now when you said arenas is better than tmac i thought were a total and compete nut for saying that, as a matter of fact im still LMAOOOO from that statement, give me a break. Arenas just scores and thats it but he hasnt won a scoring title either, tmac hs won 2 and he does so much more. so give me a break u need to sit down and think about what you just said.
Rockets healthy would make it to the Conference finals atleast give the spurs or mavs a hell of a series, so im guessing they wouldnt lose to the wizards in a playoffs series. Lebron dominated the wizards, i wonder what tmac would do, plus they have yao so i highly doubt the wizards would squeezed out a win in that series. Tmac played like 15 games all year so dont go comparing what lebron did this year to what tmac did this year, i said a healthy tmac and he was the furthest thing from healthy this seson. I cannot wait until next season to see what the rockets do with a healthy tmac and a healthy yao, hopefully because in their first season together they posted over 50 wins and gave the powerhouse mavs a 7 game series, good ass series tho.
No im pretty sure the pistons were a real good team that year, isnt that the year they made it to the c finals??? im not too sure about that one but i know they were a powerhouse team.
wait a tick... you said if numbers are true then iversons better than iverson... which he isnt. but that also means you claim that tmac is better than iverson as you say hes better than lebron? tmacs good.... but not THAT good!
huh??? i dint understand that but iverson never has had a game where he shot above 35% ( ok i know he has but he shoots poorly from the field)
i dont want to change this into a who is the best player in the nba thread or tmac or lebron which it has already become but do you guys think lebron is better than kobe??????
ok back on topic i would take tmac over carter
The question is, if T-Mac is better, then why did he (when he was as good as he is now) lead the Magic to the worst record in the league in that weak East you like to speak of? Riddle me that Batman.
Everybody on here has typed some form of evidence supporting LeBron. Where is any evidence about T-Mac being better. So far, this is what you sound like:
Originally posted by Lord Evolution
You guys are idiots. No way is LeBron better because T-Mac is better. LMAOOOO [which btw stands for Laugh My Ass Off Off Off Off]. It is impossible for LeBron to be better than T-Mac because he is only in his 3rd year and that is why T-Mac is better. You guys are bandwagon riders. People claim LeBron is better than Jordan and he is not, therefore T-Mac is better than LeBron. Look, I like using no evidence except for me saying T-Mac is better.
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Originally posted by Lord Evolution
im saying their rookie season doesnt matter because we arent comparing rookie careers right now, yea lebron would win if you did that but who cares, we're talkin bout what kind of a player they are right now. Now when you said arenas is better than tmac i thought were a total and compete nut for saying that, as a matter of fact im still LMAOOOO from that statement, give me a break. Arenas just scores and thats it but he hasnt won a scoring title either, tmac hs won 2 and he does so much more. so give me a break u need to sit down and think about what you just said.Rockets healthy would make it to the Conference finals atleast give the spurs or mavs a hell of a series, so im guessing they wouldnt lose to the wizards in a playoffs series. Lebron dominated the wizards, i wonder what tmac would do, plus they have yao so i highly doubt the wizards would squeezed out a win in that series. Tmac played like 15 games all year so dont go comparing what lebron did this year to what tmac did this year, i said a healthy tmac and he was the furthest thing from healthy this seson. I cannot wait until next season to see what the rockets do with a healthy tmac and a healthy yao, hopefully because in their first season together they posted over 50 wins and gave the powerhouse mavs a 7 game series, good ass series tho.
No im pretty sure the pistons were a real good team that year, isnt that the year they made it to the c finals??? im not too sure about that one but i know they were a powerhouse team.
huh??? i dint understand that but iverson never has had a game where he shot above 35% ( ok i know he has but he shoots poorly from the field)
i dont want to change this into a who is the best player in the nba thread or tmac or lebron which it has already become but do you guys think lebron is better than kobe??????
ok back on topic i would take tmac over carter
I was joking about Gilbert being better than McGrady, I knew you would go off. It is close though. But I do think the Wizards would take the Rockets to 7 games.
I agree with Myth about the Magic. As far as leasing teams to the playoffs by thereselves. Lebron- 1, Iverson- 4(Just a guess, i have no idea how many times he did it) McGrady- 0.
And you keep saying, "Oh well if T-Mac was healthy they would contend with the Spurs and Mavs" What if T-Mac is NEVER healthy again(I am not saying he will be unhealthy forever, just making a point), then you still gonna say he is better than Lebron. McGrady is no help to a team if he is injured, yet he is still better than Lebron who is playing every game and leading his team through the playoffs while putting up incredibly numbers.
so just because LeBron is younger, that makes T-mac better? even though T-mac has been in the league for like 8 or 9 years and has never carried his team out of the 1st round of the playoffs, and it took T-mac 3 or 4 years to become a superstar and it took LeBron 1....so i can't compare them by rookie year, or by this year cause T-mac was hurt so how about we compare them from last year when they were both healthy
T-mac-25.7ppg 6.2rpg 5.7apg
Lebron-27.2ppg 7.4rpg 7.2apg
but those are just numbers, i mean they don;t tell the whole story like how McCrady had a more talented team, or how LeBron was able to put up better numbers with less talent...i mean clearly all cards go into McCrady's hand for being the better player with all the facts and points you presented for him
Originally posted by Lord Evolution
HOW LONG IT TOOK THEM TO BECOME A SUPERSTAR DOES NOT MATTER. all that matters is that lebron is a superstar and tmac is a superstar right now. I got Tmac thats my opinion, you aint about to change my mind, their both great players but if it was up to me i would pick tmac.
All we're asking for is something that backs up your claim. You have supplied us with nothing.
Also, I'd like to see a T-Mac led team go into a 2-2 tie with Pistons. Thats an accomplishment in itself.
his magic was up 3-1 on the pistons....still its not a accomplishment unless you actually win the series, any sports fan should know that. i dont need to supply you with anything buddy, numbers arent everything and if it was i can just say 2 scoring titles and he is fully capable of winning more. but scoring isnt everything if it was the lakers would win the championship this year with kobe. so stop showing the scoring average, tmac still wins in that category with his two scoring titles, which is very hard to accomplish with the talent in the league today
You've actually mentioned scoring more than I have (but since you bring it up, as you said, "Right Now", and T-Mac hasn't scored over 30ppg in years).
Anyway, if you are not up for debating basketball, why are you even here?
So with that in mind, that Pistons team is hardly what it has been since that year.