who is better, Vince Carter or Tracy Mcgrady?

Originally posted by tanjot
Wow myth. Simply wow. how many times have i explained and proven that vince used to wimp out on his team as the raptors because he needed a new scenery and now that he has it he is stepping up to the challenge, playing hard offence and defence ( i know everyone will disagree but next time you see a nets game you can see the difference for yourself) night it, night out, and has tried to play 4 games through a back injury, which is not easy to do....plz do not bring up this topic again..and if you are then prove your point using the present, not the past.

Your arguments have absolutely no relevance to what was even being discussed. You at first claim you have no idea what I mean by Vince wimping out. We then show you what was meant and you behave as if I was discussing the present. NOBODY IS DENYING THAT VINCE IS A GOOD PLAYER! Especially in the present.

ok. now lets move on to another topic...how about....do u think carmello anthony is an underrated player?? because i do...i think he is a much better player than lebron right now when it comes to close contest in the late stages of the fourth quarter. he has hit MANY big shots for the nuggest this season...lebron, not so much.

He is more clutch than LeBron. However, that is the only thing he has over LeBron. Underrated? I think he gets the cred he deserves. Not any more than he deserves, and not any less.

Mello has a way better perimeter game than LeBron, thats about it. I think one of the reasons that LeBron hasnt proven himself in the clutch is because he is laking in that aspect of his game. Once he has a reliable pull up jumper then you will see him take over more at the end of the game. At the moment he is easier to guard because you know he will try and take it to the rack, so you just collapse your defense on him.

on another topic, what is it with steve francis?? where is his 20ppg, and his highflying dunks?? i think he is upset because he always wants to be known as the best player on the team..whether it be houston, orlando, or now in new york with starbury.

I think the problem with Francis is........ he's a douche. He wants to be the best player on his team (like you said), and he's trying to force it rather than being a team player (much like Starbury, the self-proclaimed best PG himself).

I like Francis when he first entered the league. His team needed him to do everything and he was willing to. But I started thinking less of him the moment Yao was drafted and Francis refused to try to get him the ball. He's got the style and the mental processes of a superstar, but he's just not as talented as the real superstars so he ends up simply holding his team back.

There are certain players in the league that they are a pretty good talent so when you put them on a 17 win team, they may win 30 the next year. However, that same player if blockheaded enough can take a 40 win team, and lead it to only 30 wins as well.

This was originally only going to be a one sentence post.

Francis:
Pros - great athlete, great ballhandler, great dunker (sounds like your sort of player tanjot). 😛
Cons - no outside game, no defense, cant run a team (which is essential at his position), no leadership and terrible attitude.

new york now hsa two shooting gaurds in point gaurd bodies. and with the history of attitude from these players they'll not sacrifice for the team. which is why i hate staphon marbury and slam magazines love for him... probably because hes an NY native.

i saw there were rumours linking hoim with a reunion with KG, but i hope for big tickets sake it wont happen. hes better off stating with the current wolves team than playing with the curse of starbury

Originally posted by darth_royke
new york now hsa two shooting gaurds in point gaurd bodies

Three. Don't forget Nate "Kenny Smith's Dunk Champion" Robinson. Although I don't hate Nate Robinson....... yet.

As for KG and Marbury. I can only see that reunion happening in Minny. KG is sick of losing. Why go to New York? If he's going to abandon his loyalty to the Wolves, it will be for a better opportunity than NY.

Originally posted by Myth
If he's going to abandon his loyalty to the Wolves, it will be for a better opportunity than NY.

😱 Like the Lakers, yeah KG to LA has a real nice ring to it. 😎

I would think of it more likely. But then again, its likely that I will shoot somebody if KG goes to the Lakers.

Seeing as you live in Oregon i know im safe, so knock yourself out. 2guns

actually... new york has 4... jamaal crawford too seems to be entrapped in a body thats too small for him... he used to play at the 2 in college apparantly

Good point. And Kool, whats to stop me actually looking for Laker fans when going shootin? If I'm going to kill somebody, it might as well be in LA where they are most likely an LA fan. 😄

Btw, whats your address 😖hifty:

scared shit

Originally posted by Mugen
there will never be another Michael Jordan Vince Carter has never had the potential MJ did, Kobe is better then Carter and he dosent even have the potential Jordan had, lets not drag him into this arguement, Mcgrady kills Carter, aside from being a better shooter, Mcgrady is an offensive monster, all Vince can do is dunk, Mcrgady is more creative then him, he is a slasher, hes quicker, taller, more agressive, and is definetly not afraid to dunk on anyone, the stats for 05-06 are even because, Mcgrady has been passing the ball alot, ALOT, he is not as independet as he was when he played at Orlando, comapre those stats to when Carter was by himself with the raptors, in a very similar situation. and there talk of him being traded, from the Nets, Why? becuase they dont need him, and he hasnt been pulling his weight, not my words, straight from the commentators at ESPN.

Mcgrady at Orlando

YEAR TEAM G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
00-01 ORL 77 77 40.1 .457 .355 .733 2.5 5.0 7.5 4.6 1.51 1.53 2.57 2.10 26.8
01-02 ORL 76 76 38.3 .451 .364 .748 2.0 5.9 7.9 5.3 1.57 .96 2.49 1.80 25.6
02-03 ORL 75 74 39.4 .457 .386 .793 1.6 4.9 6.5 5.5 1.65 .79 2.60 2.10 32.1
03-04 ORL 67 67 39.9 .417 .339 .796 1.4 4.6 6.0 5.5 1.39 .63 2.67 1.90 28.0

Carter at Toronto

YEAR TEAM G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
00-01 TOR 75 75 39.7 .460 .408 .765 2.3 3.2 5.5 3.9 1.52 1.09 2.23 2.70 27.6
01-02 TOR 60 60 39.8 .428 .387 .798 2.3 2.9 5.2 4.0 1.57 .72 2.57 3.20 24.7
02-03 TOR 43 42 34.2 .467 .344 .806 1.4 3.0 4.4 3.3 1.12 .95 1.72 2.80 20.6
03-04 TOR 73 73 38.2 .417 .383 .806 1.3 3.5 4.8 4.8 1.21 .89 3.05 2.90 22.5
04-05 TOR 20 20 30.4 .411 .322 .694 1.4 1.9 3.3 3.1 1.25 .75 1.10 2.80 15.9

http://www.northjersey.com/page.php?qstr=eXJpcnk3ZjczN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXkyNjkmZmdiZWw3Zjd2cWVlRUV5eTY5MjQyNzEmeXJpcnk3ZjcxN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXk2

What stats are we supposed to be focusing on there tanjot?

uh....ur supposed to be comparing the link to his post and what he said, not the stats...

I only got the homepage for some NJ media outlet, is there a link to the page you want us to read?

oh........my bad, thats not whats supposed to be there. well, forget that link then, i am going to have a hard time trying to find it again.

what the article was about is the next michael jordan, and it speaks about how before lebron and kobe, the next jordan was to be vince carter....u get the idea...i was answering back to an old post.