Originally posted by LordFear
Thanos is too keen and experienced to be taken out by Apoc.
WHy and how come the XMen keep kicking this guys ass????
WHY????????
1. He's the villain, the X-Men are the good guys. You do the math.
2. For the same reason Doom almost always screws up in the end.
Nobody is invincible. Nobody is perfect. Apocalypse isn't and Thanos isn't.
Originally posted by illadelph12Hmm...interesting. Of course considering he's NEVER demonstrated any of these abilities, (aside from growing large, which means nothing considering Sentinels are friggin huge and get their asses handed to them by mutants 1/10th their size on a regular basis), I'd say it's all BS. If he was really that powerful, why not grant himself the power of Eternity and rewrite the face of the universe?
The catch with Apocalypse is that you can't really defeat him through physical means. You have to attack him through psionics or attack his molecular cohesion. Anything less won't really harm him, and even attacking him psionicly is a task because he has established a bit of a psionic minefield for telepaths that try to harm him. Apocalypse's versatility makes him a serious threat in this battle.Thanos is exceedingly strong himself, and stated that he was weary of the day he'd battle Hulk (not scared, just wasn't looking forward to it). Apocalypse is STRONGER than Hulk, and unlike Hulk who needs his strength stimulated through anger to fuel it, all Apocalypse has to do is will his strength increase and draw upon ambient and extradimensional energy to fuel him, and it's done. He can go from Class 100 to class 1,000,000 in moments. His ability to control his molecules, morph, and alter his size and density allow him to become any substance from dextrous plasma to adamantium and beyond or as tall as a skyscraper, and he can grant himself any physical ability, like say the ability to absorb kinetic energy to fuel his strength ala Sebastian Shaw or absorb and redirect kinetic energy ala Bishop, which would render a majority of Thanos' attacks pointless. He can also morph all or part of himself into advanced machinery, like morphing a portion of his back into a propulsion drive and having jet wings extend from his shoulders, or forming rockets in his feet or back, granting him the ability to fly or move at great speeds.
I say it's a draw or Thanos out lasts Apocalypse. Thanos has gone toe to toe with Tyrant and is still standing, but Thanos within himself doesn't (to my knowledge, and without Thanos employing some sort of weapon/artifact to increase his powers, so just using his base powers) have the means to destroy Apocalypse using all of his powers full bore. I've never seen Thanos have control over the EM spectrum to the extent Magneto did in AoA to rip Apocalypse apart with adverse polarities at the molecular level, and though Thanos does posess psionic energy blast attacks, he doesn't have the telekinetic abilities of Nate Grey/Cable/Stryfe (two of which were BRED to defeat Apocalypse), and if Apoc employs the Shaw/Bishop ability as I stated before, though Thanos has very powerful cosmic energy attacks at his disposal, they are countered, as well as any other blast Thanos could emit because it's a form of kinetic energy.
Can I have some of what you're smoking? It must be some of the best shit ever!
They could fight and counter until Apoc needs a new host body in 5000 years and then Thanos would win.
Or Thanos would simply bitchslap Apockie into oblivion...and if anybody has the power to do it, it's Thanos.
Or Thanos could use a Cosmic Cube, Infinity Gem, Infinity Gauntlet, or Heart of the Universe and erase Apocalypse.
Naah, he wouldn't need any of that...he's a guy that's pushed around the Silver Surfer with relative ease, why would he have any problem whatsoever with Apocalypse?
Originally posted by MainstreamYes that is the rule, but there's a fundamental difference between Apoc and Thanos. Thanos has DEMONSTRATED the will and ability to reach godhood...and yes he lost cause "he's the bad guy" and bad guys always lose. Apocalypse however, has NEVER demonstrated anything that comes close...and he loses anyway.
that's the rule..bad guys have to lose
During the Infinity Gauntlet saga, Thanos slapped the Hulk and that other green guy (his name escapes me at the moment) with ease to get them out of his way, calling them "dull-witted brutes". You really think he would consider someone like Apocalypse a threat?
actually apoc does have those abilities a good number of them can be seen in his little bout with the high evolutianary which he took control of by the way. Apoc doesn't always get beaten by the x-men apoc himself hardly ever fights the x-men headon or without underlings.......And what it took to beat/kill apoc.......one of the most powerful mutants....ever, magneto. another but one that was bred to kill apoc, stryfe. and uhhh the twelve......Do you even know who are in the freakin twelve.....the pheonix alone would give thanos a run for his money, but the entire twelve,,,,not a group to be taken lightly.
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demi, Lord S didn't call me out. He disagreed with me, but had to voice it in a manner that was belittling. If I thought less of my debating abilities, it might have given my feelings a boo-boo...
Now, as for this comment by Lord S:
Or Thanos would simply bitchslap Apockie into oblivion...and if anybody has the power to do it, it's Thanos.
You are incorrect. Thanos, under his own power, can not '***** Apockie into oblivion'. With the IG or HOTU, yes, but with Thanos' base abilities versus Apocalypse's base abilities, no.
Anything Thanos throws at Apocalypse, from a class 5,000,000+ punch, to a planet busting cosmic blast, Apocalypse has within his power to counter. Did you even fully read my post? Do you understand the extent of Apocalypse's abilities.
He could alter himself into an organic cosmic energy conduit/re-director (Bishop-esque ability) and fire back anything Thanos attacked him with.
He could change his density to a state where Thanos' physical blows do not harm him by either absorbing the impact, or absorbing the kinetic energy of the blow and using it to strengthen himself even further (ala Sebastian Shaw).
Apocalypse can alter his body to grant himself any physical ability. Thanos, unless he has a means to attack Apocalypse's molecular cohesion at the molecular level through either telekinesis or magnetic manipulation (Magneto, Cable, and Cable derivitives Nate Grey and Stryfe) does not posess a method to take down Apocalypse.
His energy blasts can be absorbed and redirected, absorbed as fuel, or simply absorbed and dissipated.
His physical attacks would not rock Apocalypse. Apocalypse's density control allows him to become as heavy as he wishes. If Thanos throws a 500,000 ton punch, Apoc can weigh 600,000 tons by increasing his density, size, or both, and can alter himself to be as hard as the hardest material imaginable.
Thanos's best bet is to fight Apocalypse to exhaustion, which takes 5000 years until he requires a new host body. Thanos is patient and calculating, as well as immortal, so that should be no problem. He'd better remember to attack him when the 5,000 years are up or Apoc will just be at it again in a new body.
Slapping Hulk and slapping Apocalypse are entirely different feats. Hulk has unlimited strength, unlimited healing/regeneration, and that's about it. Apocalypse has that, and the ability to control how dense (or hard) his body is, as well as how heavy his body is. If Apocalypse doesn't want to be lifted or knocked off his feet, he doesn't have to be. Hulk weighs a little over half a ton. Any punch packing a ton or more of force landed correctly can knock him down. Not out, but down. When he gets up, he still weighs around 1,200 lbs, he's just pissed off. Apocalypse could weigh as much as a planet and be as hard as adamantium, and be pissed off.
Apocalypse doen't have the means to kill Thanos either though.
Originally posted by illadelph12🤨
Apocalypse could weigh as much as a planet and be as hard as adamantium, and be pissed off.
And where/when has he ever demonstrated this uncanny ability? I'm sure his bio says all that...I'd prefer to believe it when I see it, rather than buy into the hyperbole of "Apoc can grant himself any power", cause it's really preposterous.
And where/when has he ever demonstrated this uncanny ability? I'm sure his bio says all that...I'd prefer to believe it when I see it, rather than buy into the hyperbole of "Apoc can grant himself any power", cause it's really preposterous.
It's in the same comic where Flash ends all crime on Earth due to his speed, Hulk gets so pissed he tosses a solar system, and Galactus just eats Earth and everything else. If characters in comics used their full power 24/7 there would be no reason to have a series. The X men would have died in their first fight with Magneto. That's why the forum rules state that characters go all out with their powers within their characters personality. Apocalypse is an embodiment of evil, so to think he'd go all out to kill Thanos in a death match is very feasible.
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demigawd playin' fight promoter.
Funny thing is I was watching a Rocky film fest yesterday on AMC and in Rocky 5 they have that bootleg Don King fight promoter that was hilarious.
"Only in America!!!"
Don King should have sued for copyright infringment. 😆
This is completely off topic [of course], but has anyone else ever noticed that in the Rocky films the boxers hardly ever used their block, and every punch is a jab or haymaker? I was watching Rocky 2, 3 and 4 and Clubber Lang, Apollo Creed and Drago were droppin' the ugliest bombs on Rocky and he'd never put his guard up. Then in Rocky 3 when he fight Clubber (Mr. T) the 2nd time, he jabs him like 40 times and Clubber never puts his guard up.
Those movies are hilarious (and classic). The American Ninja flicks are mad comedy too.