Apocalypse vs. Thanos

Originally posted by illadelph12
It's in the same comic where Flash ends all crime on Earth due to his speed, Hulk gets so pissed he tosses a solar system, and Galactus just eats Earth and everything else. If characters in comics used their full power 24/7 there would be no reason to have a series. The X men would have died in their first fight with Magneto. That's why the forum rules state that characters go all out with their powers within their characters personality.

That's why the forum rules state that characters go all out with their powers within their characters personality.

Yes...powers and abilities that the characters actually HAVE and have DISPLAYED...not ones their fanboys dream of.

Apocalypse is an embodiment of evil, so to think he'd go all out to kill Thanos in a death match is very feasible.

Uh...no, he's not. He's an extraordinary powerful mutant, who with the aid of obsolete Celestial technology he barely understands, can do wonderous things...but embodiment of evil? Come on. Thanos is someone you can call an embodiment of evil...Darkseid is definitely someone you can label that...but Apocalypse, no way.

Oh, and you mentioned "belittling" earlier, and just in case you were wondering, I choose to belittle you because of the, *ahem*, credentials you supplied in that other thread by suggesting Nightcrawler can separate Hulk's head from his body. No explanation is necessary on that.

Oh dip!

Yo, son, Lord S must be a restaurant franchise, because Ill just got served!

(I'm so bored today, lol)

Isn't that AOL?

Oh no wait...that's "you've got mail".

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Yes...powers and abilities that the characters actually HAVE and have DISPLAYED...not ones their fanboys dream of.

You mean like Hulk's "unlimited strength" that allows him to hang with Superman in a fist fight even though Supes has the speed, flight and versatility advantage over him?

Please.

If that line of reasoning can be used for Hulk versus anyone, it can be used for Apocalypse. 'Fanboyism' or no 'Fanboyism', it's feasible. Don't be a hypocrite.

As for bringing up the Nightcrawler argument (which has nothing to do with this), whether you, or anyone else, choose to accept it or not, I could care less. It is possible, and has been shown to be so in the comic books within canon material, not a "What If" or fan voted crossover, in continuity. You don't like it, I could give a f*ck. It happened, it can happen, in a deathmatch, it would happen. I provided comic book numbers where it happened, and other posters provided scans from comics that I didn't bring up of the same thing happening. All others provided was "No way can he beat Hulk. Hulk has unlimited strength and durability". I didn't say Nightcrawler was going to pimp slap Hulk with his tail, having tough skin don't mean sh*t when your opponent can teleport your limbs and head away.

It's funny how close minded muthaf*ckas get on here when it comes to someone fighting Hulk, and now Thanos. Not only could Nightcrawler decapitate and dismember Hulk, but Cloak from Cloak & Dagger would own Hulk easily. You don't have to have Class 100+ strength or cosmic powers to beat Hulk, you just need an ability that can exploit a weakness Hulk has, like the fact he's still organic and only weighs about 1,200 lbs. "Hulk smash" is not always the way. People seem to think in boxes on here, and assume that since there's more people in their box, they must be right. A million Frenchmen can be wrong homie. I think for myself, and I back it up with logic.

That simple. Don't agree, prove me wrong. Not with opinion, with proof.

Provide evidence that Apocalypse DOES NOT have unlimited strength, molecular control, and density control like his Marvel bio states, and then provide evidence that Hulk DOES have unlimited strength like his Marvel bio states, from the comics.

Too many hypocrites on here. If the argument works for Hulk, it works for other characters as well. Hulk has potentially unlimited strength. Apocalypse has the same, plus density control, shapeshifting, and the ability to grant himself other physical abilities by altering his molecular arrangment.

You better miss me with that childish point on conjecture homie.

Ring the bell demi.

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Ok, now that we're done with that...

If that line of reasoning can be used for Hulk versus anyone, it can be used for Apocalypse. 'Fanboyism' or no 'Fanboyism', it's feasible. Don't be a hypocrite.

It's not about being a hypocrite, my informationally handicapped muppet, it's about using logic and common sense and applying it with a sense of rationality.

As for bringing up the Nightcrawler argument (which has nothing to do with this), whether you, or anyone else, choose to accept it or not, I could care less.

I didn't ask you to care, but thank you anyway.

I think for myself, and I back it up with logic.

What logic? Where? I must have missed it. Oh, you must have meant illogic...typo on your part, don't worry homie, it happens all the time.

That simple. Don't agree, prove me wrong. Not with opinion, with proof.

You first.

Provide evidence that Apocalypse DOES NOT have unlimited strength, molecular control, and density control like his Marvel bio states, and then provide evidence that Hulk DOES have unlimited strength like his Marvel bio states, from the comics.

Uh nice try, but the onus in not on me to provide evidence to counter something that is claimed, yet never proven. Once it's proven, then it's my job to counter it with proof. Again, good try.

BTW, I've never claimed that Hulk has "unlimited strength"...the whole idea of any character possessing unlimited strength is just absurd. It's a hyperbole, and I don't buy into those. In fact in that "Hulk vs. Thanos" thread, I give the victory to Thanos.

Apocalypse has the same, plus density control, shapeshifting, and the ability to grant himself other physical abilities by altering his molecular arrangment.

Again, are you basing this on actual proof or what you read in a bio?

conjecture

Yeah, pot, kettle, black...homie.

By the way, this isn't personal Lord S. Everyone's entitled to an opinion, and I respect that. I got no beef with you just like I have no beef with Alpha.

I do, however, think you bringing me up in that other thread (Hulk/Thanos) where I wasn't even involved in the debate was b*tchmade. No beef, but sh*t like that's not necessary or called for, feel me. You don't agree, prove that Nightcrawler never dismembered someone in the comic books. Don't try to belittle me because you and a few others disagree with what was written.

Uh nice try, but the onus in not on me to provide evidence to counter something that is claimed, yet never proven. Once it's proven, then it's my job to counter it with proof. Again, good try.

As far as proving what Marvel says about their own characters, I'm not the writer, so I can only go by what they say about their character. Whether or not they prove to show the characters full abilities in ink is up to them. Similar to the Flash being able to throat slash hundreds of super heroes in a second yet he hasn't been displayed to do it, but his powers portray that he could.
That's why Tron states in the rules that:

It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first picosecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels.

It's a proven fact that Apocalypse can alter his mass, density, matter, and strength, the full extent of which has not been shown as of yet. So one could theorize, as I have, that Apocalypse could pull off the method of counter attack I stated. Would you like book numbers of when Apocalypse has shape shifted or turned himself into various metals, or his arms into various devices.

Besides, I didn't say Apocalypse could/would win, I said he'd hold up until his energies failed due to need of a new host body and Thanos would take him.

It's not about being a hypocrite, my informationally handicapped muppet, it's about using logic and common sense and applying it with a sense of rationality.

😆 Informationally handicapped. That was good.

If this is the case, then why are you so vehemenently against the fact that Nightcrawler can teleport limbs and bodyparts off when it has been PROVEN that he can do so. So much in fact that you brought it up in a thread that had nothing to do with the thread at hand or me being involved in the thread.

Now, you said:

Uh nice try, but the onus in not on me to provide evidence to counter something that is claimed, yet never proven. Once it's proven, then it's my job to counter it with proof. Again, good try.

I proved that with evidence and you let your own opinion override the facts at hand.

Why?

Matter of fact, forget it. I already made my points, gave my reasons and basis for them. I don't need to go further.

Thanos. Apocalypse's power is overhyped. Thanos slapped Hulk and Drax out in a scuffle to get ahold of the IG. He was headslamming Hulk and Thing while Thor and Hercules tried to attack him. Before his death, Thanos was beating down Thor and Thing; after his death, he got a power boost.

Apocalypse sucks at fighting compared to Thanos. His strength and power are below the titan. His an ape compared to Thanos. Thor, Surfer, Warlock, Gladiator, etc. can beat Apocalypse down. Who is he to compare to Thanos?

Originally posted by illadelph12
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Money?!

Dang. Owned. If Lord S's real name is Tina, Ill's real name is Ike.

(this is too much fun)

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Drama King!!

I'm liking the Apoc. arguments. Thanos's trump card is always that he can't actually die, so he'd win eventually (5,000 year rule seems to be Apoc's biggest weakness...at least in this fight). But if we're going "who gets the best licks in during the short-term fight" then I might give it to Apoc. Yeah, Thanos has "shown" more, but if Apoc. is operating at full potential, there won't be much Thanos can do to kill him until the body switch.

-DM

I'm definitely thinking the apoc side of this argument is winning, Thanos is gonna win the fight, but team apoc does have most excellent points.
well done.

If Apocalypse has any chance of beating Thanos, then he can
beat Silver Surfer or Morg. And I doubt there is anyone who can
seriously argue that Apocalypse can last more than a second against
Silver Surfer or Morg.

Apocalypse is not even the most powerful being on Earth. Yet
Thanos is one of the single most powerful being in the whole universe
(excluding the Cosmic Beings).

Thanos has beaten, or atleast stood up to, some of the strongest
characters in Marvel, from Silver Surfer, to Odin, to Tyrant.
Apocalypse can barely last against the X-men.

Apocalyse lived 5,000 years on Earth, doing nothing but preteding
to be a god to some superstitious humans.

Thanos has lived atleast 10,000 years, during which time he has
wandered the universe, and faught countless battles.

Bottom line: Thanos erases Apocalypse (if he even notices him)
from the face of the planet in a second (something even Silver
Surfer can do). Of it's a fist fight, Thanos tears Apocalypse's head
off one move.

Sorry illadelph12, but you have to look at the big picture here.

it's posts like that one that's the reason team thanos is losing this debate.

Originally posted by jinzin
it's posts like that one that's the reason team thanos is losing this debate.

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you're being completely ignorant of apoc. He's not the pushover you make him out to be. you make it sound as if the x-men beat apoc regularly in head on fights....they don't. Magneto did it,,,,at full bore he'd even give thanos trouble, same for stryfe, and I'd be surprised to see thanos vicotrious over the twelve, the pheonix alone would give him a run for his money. And apoc against SS. SS has an extremely hard time dealing with hulk, spiderman even gave SS a decent fuss. APOC would probably beat the guy to be quite honest.

Originally posted by jinzin
you're being completely ignorant of apoc. He's not the pushover you make him out to be. you make it sound as if the x-men beat apoc regularly in head on fights....they don't. Magneto did it,,,,at full bore he'd even give thanos trouble, same for stryfe, and I'd be surprised to see thanos vicotrious over the twelve, the pheonix alone would give him a run for his money. And apoc against SS. SS has an extremely hard time dealing with hulk, spiderman even gave SS a decent fuss. APOC would probably beat the guy to be quite honest.

Funny, I thought my post was quite clear.

I doubt Magneto would give someone like Thanos a tough time.
Maybe more than Apocalypse, but not much.

About the Phoenix, ofcourse Phoenix (let loose) would destroy
Thanos, but Phoenix is not in the same league, or catagory, as
Magneto and Apocalypse. Phoenix is a Cosmic Being, in the
same league as Galactus and the Celestials. She shouldn't
even be brought into this debate.

And as for Silver Surfer, you are, ofcourse joking? Silver
Surfer can vaporize Hulk and Spider-Man together. That he does
not has to do with the fact that he is a good guy. He's not
going to kill the Hulk or Spider-Man, or any other hero or
friend.

You say I'm ignorant of Apocalypse? Maybe so. But you seem
to know absolutely nothing about Thanos and cosmic powers.
Thanos can probably obliterate a hundred Apocalypses at the
same time. Maybe you should read some Silver Surfer or
Fantastic Four comics, they'd tell you all about what cosmic
powered beings like Thanos and Silver Surfer can do.