Originally posted by eleveninches
I doubt that would be the case if US attacked a country as powerful as china
Well I'm pretty confident that if the US had a decent reason to attack China (don't see this happening without a decent reason and NO invading Taiwan would not be a decent enough reason) the NATO allies would follow the US. That together with the traditional US allies and probably some other countries.
Originally posted by eleveninches
They wouldnt want to support an attack on china, as they would be worried bout what would happen if china wins, and then turns their attentions to the allies of the US. They wouldnt want to go against a powerful country
I left nukes of the equation so far because If nukes come into play it could go either way and I'm pretty sure the US would not be crazy enough to use them. Idd the Chinese might but there would be certain retaliation. (If you take nukes into the hypothesis you can just stop hypothesizing cause it will always have the same outcome: (almost) total destruction
If one of the NATO countries gets nuked they will retaliate with extreme measures I'm quite confident in that.
As for China and/or India taking over the world leader position that's pretty likely. Altho a lot of people and a temporary super-growth in economy are not a guarantee for that (I'm not one to believe in the chinese economic dream)
Also the US is in no way, not even remotely, something that you could call an empire.
arm themselves and get real angry it's gonna be one hell of a war against the Western worldthey dont have the means to transport their troops over so vast areas, and if they get those means they be easy targets for the western forces.
Still, China with or without India will smother USA like a piece of cake, even if Europe tries to help the US.If China was to advance let say against the US they would need to move all their forces across the pacific ocean, where their boats would be sitting ducks for the US forces, they wouldnt have had a single boat left long before they reached the mid pacific. Chinas military strength is their manpower, manpower looses its advantage when they have to be moved over greater distances.
True. China at the moment defensively strong, but a long distance offensive campaign? They have a while to go, although with this massive production campaign, the the potential for new arms and technology coming in the future if arms bans are lifted, I have a feeling China could be moving towards a far more level playing field in a relatively short amount of time.
I don't think that the US is going to "fall" so much as I feel that other countries are going to start catching up to them. The US is only advanced because they are able to provide a large number of their troops with high quality equipment.
Pound for Pound, I would think a European or Asian country could create much better technology (military tech) but it is difficult for those countries to provide a large portion of their troops with that particular technology.
The US isn't going to "fall" with the gigantic number of allies and dependent nations that they associate themselves with....but they most certainly can be out done by the rising powers in Asia.
Originally posted by finti
and what do you base this assumption on?
North Korea and China.
Huge armies....poor technology.
It's easier for the US to provide good technology to their 150,000+ troops than it is for North Korea or China to provide similar (or better) technology to their 1,000,000+ troop armies.
Especially when countries like North Korea have problems doing simple things like keeping it's troops fed.
At the moment most forecasts show it is well on its way to being the prominent or equal industrial power, and is moving towards economic dominance. The problem is trying to judge just one facet, when any nation has multiple abilities. No nation is just an army. Or just an economy. Or industry or whatever. War with China might not lead to the death of nations or the end of the US, but it would have a devastating effect on the global economy, and seeing how most nations cant do anything without worrying about the effects on their economies I can't see the US, or China rushing into a fight, not because of their armies, but rather because of the other factors (and the fact the US has a major debt with China, if one or the other collapsed chances are the other would not fare well)
North Korea and China.
Huge armies....poor technology.
It's easier for the US to provide good technology to their 150,000+ troops than it is for North Korea or China to provide similar (or better) technology to their 1,000,000+ troop armies.
Especially when countries like North Korea have problems doing simple things like keeping it's troops fed.
China doesn't have the technology to even compete with the U.S... Sure they may have the man power, but they don't have the nesscesary equipment to fight in a war... I mean they don't have an air force their navy is to small to support the amount of men that they have and as far as weapons go like pistols and automatics.. they just don't have enough... so to go against a country like america would be a incredibly stupid move by the chinsese not to mention that america would have a couple countries backing them up and not to mention the fact that we are china's biggest customer and they wouldn' t run the risk of losing us and hurting their economy.....