storm VS spiderman

Started by black robb45 pages

Hmmm this is a hard one because depending on the situation either one could own the other. If Storm was able to get ready for a fight she would definitely beat him.But Spidey,being the super fast mofo he is could just jump on her from the start and knock her out in one hit.But then maybe she might be able to hit him with a lightning bolt from her fingers.But then he could dodge it.But then she could have already been up in the air.But then Spidey could web her back down.But then Storm could have already created a strong gale.But then Spidey could have sensed this and just jumped up.But then Storm...OH MY BRAIN!blowup

Originally posted by Sparkz
Storm can sense stuff now...cool i didnt know she could do tht...ok if they are out in the open spidey gives and goes home.

She's always been able to see the world and people around her in terms of energy patterns. Its how she uses her powers. She psionically manipulates the ambient energy patterns.

In a pretty recent X-men issue im not sure if it was Uncanny or X-treme X-men it was revealed that she can anticipate an opponents movements by looking at the electrical impulses in their body. I'll ask StormFront for the issue number then i'll post a scan.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
You're thinking too much in terms of a naturally occurring hurricane/tornado and putting him up against that. For a start Storm is in bloodlust mode she isnt just going to levitate him and spin him around for laughs. She will sweep him and then slam him all over the landscape. Storms winds are psionically controlled and would be able to adapt to Spidermans movements with a thought. While shes slamming him around she could dramatically reduce the temperature to freeze spiderman within the vortex. Or she could decrease the humidity and dramatically increase the ambient temperature dehydrating him as he's caught up in the winds. Spidermans durability is rated as normal human so he certainly aint surviving storms onslaught.

Lightning travels at a third of the speed of light and Storm commands and can psionically redirect it mid blast. He might escape the odd blast or two but in bloodlust mode with good writing theres absolutely no reason why her bolts shouldnt make contact. One hit would be all thats required.

Storm also sees the world in terms of energy patterns on top of that as she's attuned to the planet she can sense the slightest stir in the air. Spiderman would not be hiding from her.

Like I said, the wind movements aren't going to be that effective. Spider-man thrown at the ground at nearly 450 MPH, odds are he can get his feet underneath him, a web snare caught to something, whatever it takes, to get himself in a position to take the blow. I don't have the time to show how much force he'll hit the ground with, but it's akin to takin a blow from the Rhino, which he has done before. People greatly underestimate Spider-man's durability, he fought through the entire Maximum Carnage series with broken ribs, next to no rest, suffering from several counts of smoke inhalation, physical abuse, being tagged with one of Demogoblin's special 'dark' bombs, etc. The wind is not going to put him out. The cold will, however. This we both agree on doubtlessly. Her ability to control the winds I would say is still only at the human reaction speed, which Spider-man exceeds. She can't keep up with him, that's like letting me face spider-man in a FPS, no matter how good I am, his reaction times are just so much faster I got no chance. Now, Storm does know what she's doing, and if he was a normal joe, she'd tear him a new one, but he's too durable and reacts too quickly to easily be outdone by winds, not that they are completely ineffective, but I don't see her winning with just winds alone. If she tries to combine powers (Beyond the temperature) then her control of the winds is definitly going to be less precise, because it'd take all of her concentration to keep up with Spidey, and thus the winds are much less dangerous to him. Spider-man's durability can be rated at whatever, the fact remains that he can take blows beyond anything any human could ever dream of taking. That durability rating is most likely in reference in his ability to take bullets and the such, which still work almost as well on him as a normal man. You have to remember though, his muscles are so tight that bullets do not pierce them as readily as a normal persons, it's like when shooting bow, if you miss the target and catch the mesh part on the side, the arrow (fieldtip) just bounces off because the mesh is pulled too tightly.

Lightning moves fast. Spidey has shown himself to be more than capable of dealing with it in the past. Ever see him fight electro? Yeah.

Forgive me, but where did I say he was going to be hiding? What would hiding do in this fight but give Storm time to power-up?

Like I've said time and again;

Cold - Not much he can do
Winds - More of a hinderence than a danger
Lightning - Dealt with plenty of times. If electro can't take him down using only electricity, I doubt Storm can do it while trying to multi-task.

Thank you GS, for at least making a coherent and reasonable attempt at debate.

As for the person who said it would be the same as jumping out of a falling airplane, Spider-man could easily do such a feat with little to no harm. He generates enough counter-force to land safely. Spider-man isn't human, he's above and beyond what any human could ever dream of.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The difference between the comics and these debates are that the characters are in bloodlust mode.

Bloodlust

It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first picosecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels.

Straight from the rules. Storm's said tactics are viable, but not likely.

Either way, I still see Storm winning the majority, but like CM, I dislike how both characters are being portrayed.

Originally posted by Nataku8188
As for the person who said it would be the same as jumping out of a falling airplane, Spider-man could easily do such a feat with little to no harm. He generates enough counter-force to land safely. Spider-man isn't human, he's above and beyond what any human could ever dream of.

Good post, but I wouldn't be Smaxxer if I didn't found something I didn't like 😉 => Spider-Man can not survive jumping out of a falling airplane (depends off course how high the plane was flying) but still...

Ask Iron Man if you don't believe me.

Actually, there are real people who have survived falling out from airplane when their parachute hasn't worked...

I think the Guinness World Record for that was 10 miles...

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Actually, there are real people who have survived falling out from airplane when their parachute hasn't worked...

I think the Guinness World Record for that was 10 miles...


That was NOT because they had superhuman durability...

Can he use a web parachute?

Originally posted by Sparkz
Storm can sense stuff now...cool i didnt know she could do tht...ok if they are out in the open spidey gives and goes home.
It's not at all a recent developement that she percieves the world in energypatterns!
Remember the time when Storm wore Punk-style during the 80's?!
Shortly before she lost her powers due to Forges weapon, she shared her abilities with Rogue to strengthen her selfconfidence.
Rogue was suddenly full of awe because of the new percpective Storm's powers gave her. SHE mentioned this particular ability of Storm's the first time and there was a panel where you could see the world through her eyes.
So please stop acting as if this would be a ridiculous recent addition to Storm's arsenal. It makes certainly far more sense for her than telescopic or microscopic vision for Supes !!!

Originally posted by Smaxxer
Good post, but I wouldn't be Smaxxer if I didn't found something I didn't like 😉 => Spider-Man can not survive jumping out of a falling airplane (depends off course how high the plane was flying) but still...

Ask Iron Man if you don't believe me.

Spiderman is quite limber/flexible, durable, so if someone should know about falling it would be him, and then there is the webbing.

Ok this may seem silly to you guys since you all know so much about storm but in her bio it specifies that she cant create weather extremes beyond the earth atmospheres capabilitys. Tornadoes the fastest winds recorded on earth are around 300+ mph, hurricanes are around 200+ how is storm going to create 450 mph hurricane winds?

Originally posted by Nataku8188
Like I said, the wind movements aren't going to be that effective. Spider-man thrown at the ground at nearly 450 MPH, odds are he can get his feet underneath him, a web snare caught to something, whatever it takes, to get himself in a position to take the blow. I don't have the time to show how much force he'll hit the ground with, but it's akin to takin a blow from the Rhino, which he has done before. People greatly underestimate Spider-man's durability, he fought through the entire Maximum Carnage series with broken ribs, next to no rest, suffering from several counts of smoke inhalation, physical abuse, being tagged with one of Demogoblin's special 'dark' bombs, etc. The wind is not going to put him out. The cold will, however. This we both agree on doubtlessly. Her ability to control the winds I would say is still only at the human reaction speed, which Spider-man exceeds. She can't keep up with him, that's like letting me face spider-man in a FPS, no matter how good I am, his reaction times are just so much faster I got no chance. Now, Storm does know what she's doing, and if he was a normal joe, she'd tear him a new one, but he's too durable and reacts too quickly to easily be outdone by winds, not that they are completely ineffective, but I don't see her winning with just winds alone. If she tries to combine powers (Beyond the temperature) then her control of the winds is definitly going to be less precise, because it'd take all of her concentration to keep up with Spidey, and thus the winds are much less dangerous to him. Spider-man's durability can be rated at whatever, the fact remains that he can take blows beyond anything any human could ever dream of taking. That durability rating is most likely in reference in his ability to take bullets and the such, which still work almost as well on him as a normal man. You have to remember though, his muscles are so tight that bullets do not pierce them as readily as a normal persons, it's like when shooting bow, if you miss the target and catch the mesh part on the side, the arrow (fieldtip) just bounces off because the mesh is pulled too tightly.

Lightning moves fast. Spidey has shown himself to be more than capable of dealing with it in the past. Ever see him fight electro? Yeah.

Forgive me, but where did I say he was going to be hiding? What would hiding do in this fight but give Storm time to power-up?

Like I've said time and again;

Cold - Not much he can do
Winds - More of a hinderence than a danger
Lightning - Dealt with plenty of times. If electro can't take him down using only electricity, I doubt Storm can do it while trying to multi-task.

Its good to see that you've changed your tune and agree that Storm will win the majority. I suppose thats the best i can hope for really.

But as for the wind being a hinderance. You're totally over-estimating spiderman in the scenario you've painted. If Spiderman was thrown to the ground by winds approaching 300 mph he would get squished and break damn near every bone in his body. Wind can cause grass and straw to pierce concrete, wind propelled projectiles have hospitalised Colossus.

Also being spun around in winds psionically controlled by Storm able to adapt to the situation with a thought would leave Spiderman too dioriented to land on his feet anyway. Storm has juggled multiple Sentinels above Rockefeller with her hurricane winds. Dealing with Spiderman with a hurricane shouldnt be too much trouble.

So what if Storm can only control the wind at human reaction speed. The fact that its so fast and would cover the entire battlefield makes that point irrelevant. Spiderman cant run from the wind. Its not the same as some beam weapon in a FPS (going by your example) It covers too vast an area.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Its good to see that you've changed your tune and agree that Storm will win the majority. I suppose thats the best i can hope for really.

But as for the wind being a hinderance. You're totally over-estimating spiderman in the scenario you've painted. If Spiderman was thrown to the ground by winds approaching 300 mph he would get squished and break damn near every bone in his body. Wind can cause grass and straw to pierce concrete, wind propelled projectiles have hospitalised Colossus.

Also being spun around in winds psionically controlled by Storm able to adapt to the situation with a thought would leave Spiderman too dioriented to land on his feet anyway. Storm has juggled multiple Sentinels above Rockefeller with her hurricane winds. Dealing with Spiderman with a hurricane shouldnt be too much trouble.

So what if Storm can only control the wind at human reaction speed. The fact that its so fast and would cover the entire battlefield makes that point irrelevant. Spiderman cant run from the wind. Its not the same as some beam weapon in a FPS (going by your example) It covers too vast an area.

A trained boxer can punch at 600lb per square inch, a experienced MA can hit with 2200lb of force per square inch.

Those guys don't send anyone flying in real life, but they do serious damage.

Now lets imagine someone like veonm, can lift a van with one hand, and toss it about 200 yards.

Lets say he has about a 50,000 lb lifting strength, and his starting velocity of an attack is about 400-667 mph.

That is FAR more velocity than a wind slam, and to be more precise, it attacks a smaller area, making it more potent.

If you understand attack proificencies and whatnot, you would see that the former force is more deadly than the latter.

Originally posted by wannabe
It's not at all a recent developement that she percieves the world in energypatterns!
Remember the time when Storm wore Punk-style during the 80's?!
Shortly before she lost her powers due to Forges weapon, she shared her abilities with Rogue to strengthen her selfconfidence.
Rogue was suddenly full of awe because of the new percpective Storm's powers gave her. SHE mentioned this particular ability of Storm's the first time and there was a panel where you could see the world through her eyes.
So please stop acting as if this would be a ridiculous recent addition to Storm's arsenal. It makes certainly far more sense for her than telescopic or microscopic vision for Supes !!!

I wasnt saying it was a new power, I was saying i didnt know she could do that. sorry if it was misleading.

Spiderman will be argued for, no matter who he faces. Even if it's the phoenix, they have to make Spiderman look good and say, he holds his own. I even hear, that oh Spiderman gets close before she flys. Well we all know hand to hand Spiderman beats strom, but its like me saying wolverine gets close, then It's wrong.

Originally posted by TwisterGameX
Spiderman will be argued for, no matter who he faces. Even if it's the phoenix, they have to make Spiderman look good and say, he holds his own.

Would you actually like to prove your statement?? give us some quotes... I bet you can't prove a thing of what you just said...

Originally posted by TwisterGameX
I even hear, that oh Spiderman gets close before she flys. Well we all know hand to hand Spiderman beats strom, but its like me saying wolverine gets close, then It's wrong.

yes your correct as usual... Spiderman can't web-sling... hes trapped at floor lvl just like wolverine... and its not like spiderman can "jump good"

Another waste of a post twister......

Logically Tornados, at blood lust is more for Spidey....where did pop out from hit and miss ?

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
Would you actually like to prove your statement?? give us some quotes... I bet you can't prove a thing of what you just said...

yes your correct as usual... Spiderman can't web-sling... hes trapped at floor lvl just like wolverine... and its not like spiderman can "jump good"

Another waste of a post twister......

And yet you reply, so whos wasting there time ?

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
Would you actually like to prove your statement?? give us some quotes... I bet you can't prove a thing of what you just said...

yes your correct as usual... Spiderman can't web-sling... hes trapped at floor lvl just like wolverine... and its not like spiderman can "jump good"

Another waste of a post twister......

Twister needs to get his reading comprehension checked, and people wouldn't struggle to call him stupid ALL the time.

NOONE was arguing that spiderman won, NOONE. We said he loses the majority.

The premise was the wind, and the negligence of spiderman's durability, we acknowledged that he is versatile and can hit from afar.

He, adding nothing to the discussion, misinterprets EVERY SINGLE POST, in ways so abstract, it makes my eyeballs hurt.

To top it off he has the audacity to be sarcastic, and complain, further making him look stupid.

Hooked on phonics man, hooked on phonics.

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