Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
No.No country has a strong navy/airforce besides the United States, really. "strong" is relative, but, I'm pretty sure that the United States is like, 9 or 10 times stronger than the second strongest countries' navy.
Correct.
The US has 20 cruisers. NK has none.
The US has 60 destroyers. NK has none.
The US has 60 submarines. NK has 40.
The US has 10 aircraft carries. NK has none.
Most nations in a position to compete with the US just have a few destroyers (which are small ships by historical standards).
There's a delightful story about a North Korean military museum exhibit where a torpedo boat is enshrined for suposedly sinking the USS Baltimore at a battle in the Korean War. This is in spite of the fact that not only did the Americans not lose a single ship at said battle, but the USS Baltimore wasn't even deployed in the theater at the time and survived until 1972 when it was scrapped.
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
do they have a strong navy with any aircraft carriers/subs. that could be significant.
North Korea's navy is "green water", it doesn't have the capacity to sustain international expeditions. Even China doesn't have an aircraft carrier yet. The North's airforce is also a dodgy subject--they don't exactly leak a whole lot of intel to the world.
Apparently they have an impressive anti-air system set up though.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Correct.The US has 20 cruisers. NK has none.
The US has 60 destroyers. NK has none.
The US has 60 submarines. NK has 40.
The US has 10 aircraft carries. NK has none.Most nations in a position to compete with the US just have a few destroyers (which are small ships by historical standards).
NK doesn't have any warships like cruisers and destroyers? you sure? How'd they shell that island. Was that land to land?
And damn that is alot of US naval power to the extreme. i wonder if we have nukes on any of those sea vehicles.
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
And damn that is alot of US naval power to the extreme. i wonder if we have nukes on any of those sea vehicles.
yes, namely subs
they allow for the ability to launch icb missiles from any ocean, as opposed to land, and essentially ensure a second strike capability
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
The North's airforce is also a dodgy subject--they don't exactly leak a whole lot of intel to the world.Apparently they have an impressive anti-air system set up though.
considering the american/nato reliance on air supremecy, this would be smart
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
NK doesn't have any warships like cruisers and destroyers? you sure? How'd they shell that island. Was that land to land?
Patrol boats and submarines. Their navy is primarily coastal, probably so they can say it's defensive or maybe just to save on money.
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
And damn that is alot of US naval power to the extreme. i wonder if we have nukes on any of those sea vehicles.
I'd have to go look again but I think 10 of the subs carry ballistic missiles.
Wikipedia calls it "one of the densest air defence networks in the world, with air defence pads deployed virtually around every town and major city."
Combined with whatever their airforce actually consists of, their massive army, and no doubt millions of landmines... defeating the North would be a b*tch and a half.
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
NK doesn't have any warships like cruisers and destroyers? you sure? How'd they shell that island. Was that land to land?And damn that is alot of US naval power to the extreme. i wonder if we have nukes on any of those sea vehicles.
The subs yes. Not sure about the others. Though aircraft carriers can take a plane armed with a nuke(s) within striking distance.
Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
No country has a strong navy/airforce besides the United States, really. "strong" is relative, but, I'm pretty sure that the United States is like, 9 or 10 times stronger than the second strongest countries' navy.
This is from the game "Homefront" the guy whom wrote "Red Dawn" wrote this. It's fictional of course but an eye opener definetely..
Homefront Timeline:
2011: North Korea faces another UN sanction over its latest nuclear test.
2012: Kim Jong-il passes away, he is succeeded by his son Kim Jong-un.
2013: Kim Jong-un is awarded the Nobel Peace Prize and featured on the cover of Time magazine for his accomplishment of Korean reunification.
2014: American military withdraws from the Korean Peninsula. General Motors declares bankruptcy for the second time.
2015: The effects of peak oil are felt as gas prices reach up to 20 dollars a gallon. Russia cuts off all oil trade with Europe. survivalist literature becomes best selling in America. China's influences diminish.
2016: America withdraws its military from Japan and other countries overseas, focusing on its instability back home. Texas splits from the United States, border bloodshed takes place as refugees from other states attempt to enter Texas.
2017: Martial law is declared in the United States as its infrastructure crumbles due to financial difficulties.
2018: Japan surrenders to the Greater Korean Republic, and is capitalized into a vassal state.
2019: The UN is dissolved.
2020: Canada closes its borders to Americans.
2021: Korean forces succeed in annexing many countries in East Asia. A new pandemic known as the Knoxville Cough begins to spread in the United States.
2022: Mexico closes its borders to Americans.
2023: The Knoxville Cough ravages the American public. The Korean People's Army reaches 20 million total personnel.
2024: The Greater Korean Republic starts launching their own satellites, claiming to bring a message of peace to the world.
2025: An EMP Burst is emitted by a Korean satellite, it completely destabilizes the United States infrastructure. This is followed by the Korean seizure of Hawaii and landings in San Francisco.
2026: The United States is split into two as Korean occupiers irradiate the entire Mississippi River and occupies the Western side.
2027: The United States Armed Forces are completely scattered.
Here's the youtube trailer..
Originally posted by inimalist
i dont get it... in a time of economic collapse, the two nations reliant on trade with America shut down their borders?That would be like stabbing yourself in order to prevent blood loss....
I found that really odd too, would have made more sense if the "Knoxville Cough" happened first and then the border closing was due to prevent spread of infection.