God Like Cable vs Superman

Started by Anansi16 pages

Originally posted by Naija boy
Your analogy here is not accurate at all. Tearing apart someones brain from the atomic level is not only more complex, but also considerably more deft and precise than clamping ones capilliaries.....and by considerably i mean by several orders of magnitude. Atoms are measured in picometres. Capillaries are measured in micrometres...which pretty ,much says it all regarding the precision needed to affect them. Hence manipulating something on the atomic level requires a level of precision and deftness unbelievably greater than doing so to capillaries. Your grenade analogy falls extremely flat because, Cable isnt just affecting the structure as a whole with his powers as is the case with the grenade, but is affecting each individual atom which susbequently causes the degradation of the whole structure.

Moreover, the emphasis on the particular strategy of capillary clamping is being overplayed All it really represents is the viability of attacks in the same vein and Cable shouldnt have to be shown doing the exact same thing when he has been shown to perform attacks in a similar vein that are even more complex..........more precise....and more deft as you would like to describe it.


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Originally posted by carver9
Didn't look hard enough...

http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/4586/cabledeadpool092005broocl7.jpg

It was mentioned that he was getting weaker and this was during the middle of the story. By the time Surfer faced him, he was near death.


"Apparently" does not equate any clear indication regarding your point and the rest is just practical speculation.

He was getting weaker because his body was breaking down.

Besides, he had been extending a lot of power before SS showed up, it's lot like he has an endless supply of energy.

Also for minute controls on TK... Technovirus... That is all

Originally posted by Mindset
He was getting weaker because his body was breaking down.

Besides, he had been extending a lot of power before SS showed up, it's lot like he has an endless supply of energy.


Yeah i got that but the point I was trying to make was that dough his body is burning out the power that his mind generate = to that when at full powered, fact he was force to generate more power when fighting SS making him in that fight > normally shown..

His mind have an endless supply of power but just the body could not contain it.

What I'm saying is, as his body tires, his powers dwindle.

not sure that is necessarily the case though. his mind still worked at full capacity. 😬

regardless--even if you choose to believe he was somewhat weakened, it was clear that ss was far above him imo.

Except it is the case, whether youre sure or not.

Same way Magneto can't use his powers indefinitely.

He was trying to reason with SS the entire time, the one exception is him breaking the board. If you believe that's how an unhindered Cable would fight, then I have doubts that you read comics with Cable in it. Even the last blast Cable just allowed to hit him.

for as true as that is for cable, the exact same would be true for surfer

Originally posted by inimalist
I'm of the opinion current Exodus is a little more powerful, and there were no such matter manip TK feats in BT (with the exception of overpowering Sersi).

Just based on the raw power he had in that series, it might not be such a pwning by Superman, but overpowering Sersi, tagging Quicksilver, holding Jean in TK and modestly resisting Xavier don't, imho, make someone a threat to Superman, especially considering the speed differences. As strong as Exodus' shields might be, Superman will be hitting them with punches harder than anything he has blocked before, multiple times before he could react.

I guess I'd put it more like this: Any incarnation of Exodus probably has TK and TP enough to harm Superman, if Superman sort of stood there and took it. Exodus has TK feats that would legitimately suggest he could destroy Supes brain at a molecular level, or TP feats that suggest he might be able to damage Superman's psyche. In an actual fight, Exodus is going to be so focused on just not dying that these would be irrelevant. Exodus, for as fine control as he has of TK, has not used matter manip in a combat situation, for instance.

Exodus rebuilt Charles brain on a sub-atomic level (From Carey's mouth). He's atomised two humans before if that counts as combat. But this board has that speed blitz clause.

Originally posted by inimalist
for as true as that is for cable, the exact same would be true for surfer
We've had this discussion before, and that still wouldn't matter, as that shows even more proof of it not going down as a real fight would.

Originally posted by Mindset
What I'm saying is, as his body tires, his powers dwindle.

Practically the only limitation of this Version of Cable.. Which means everytime you put him up against anyone he gets weaker as he uses his power however that power that his mind generate does not lose it's strength even when in point of near death as shown when he was still tk'd providence. That is Cable's power that I ref.. to this is the only way you measure G. Cable when you pit him up against ....

Damn I hate responding via cell..

Originally posted by Mindset
Except it is the case, whether youre sure or not.

so where is the proof of this 'lessening' of power? where did he demontrate he was 'weaker'?

Same way Magneto can't use his powers indefinitely.

of course neither can go indefinitely. however, when a character is tiring, there is clear signs of it in that there is a lessening of their abilities. again, where is the proof that he was actually growing weaker in power, not body?

He was trying to reason with SS the entire time, the one exception is him breaking the board. If you believe that's how an unhindered Cable would fight, then I have doubts that you read comics with Cable in it. Even the last blast Cable just allowed to hit him.

as inimal said, ss wasn't really doing much either. and unlike cable, when HE actually tried, the fight ended. you seem to be hinting at the fact that cable could have approached ss in power level. to me it was very clear ss>>cable.

Didn't read either of your posts, I'm right, if you disagree. then youre wrong.

Originally posted by Mindset
Didn't read either of your posts, I'm right, if you disagree. then youre wrong.

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Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Exodus rebuilt Charles brain on a sub-atomic level (From Carey's mouth). He's atomised two humans before if that counts as combat. But this board has that speed blitz clause.

ya, I refered to the Xavier thing before, when did he atomize people?

Originally posted by leonidas
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Originally posted by Mindset
We've had this discussion before, and that still wouldn't matter, as that shows even more proof of it not going down as a real fight would.

that is actually how I interpret it entirely, a nonsense fight that says little about either character. I see it as a remarkable low point in what was otherwise a really good series

Originally posted by Mindset
We've had this discussion before, and that still wouldn't matter, as that shows even more proof of it not going down as a real fight would.

Really if you consider everything this version of cable have quite a big disadvantage due to his shell (body) specially against the like of hh heralds..
Take surfer for ex.. And compare .. Matter manipulated a whole planet and evolve it without getting any weaker. Then take let's look at Cable who in acc. To you guys was at near death when At the point of fighting Surfer and the feat his shown does far pretty much in no comparison to what surfer did then you have to take into account the damage he would take in a exchange of blows that would make him even more weaker.. So in a fight his getting twice the damage; one from when using his power and the other blows from his opponent his going to lose most of the time in any VS matches against high tier heralds..

Originally posted by Ambient
Really if you consider everything this version of cable have quite a big disadvantage due to his shell (body) specially against the like of hh heralds..
Take surfer for ex.. And compare .. Matter manipulated a whole planet and evolve it without getting any weaker. Then take let's look at Cable who in acc. To you guys was at near death when At the point of fighting Surfer and the feat his shown does far pretty much in no comparison to what surfer did then you have to take into account the damage he would take in a exchange of blows that would make him even more weaker.. So in a fight his getting twice the damage; one from when using his power and the other blows from his opponent his going to lose most of the time in any VS matches against high tier heralds..

The Surfer fight had nothing to do with him losing power... he was already damaged before Surfer faced him. We are not saying that Surfer power had an impact on Cable, what we or I am saying is that Cable was damaged when Surfer fought him in which he was damaged. His powers were killing him... eating away at his body... why wouldn't you think he wasn't at 100%?