Originally posted by carver9
Hulk vs. Exodus. IH vol. 2 #84
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Originally posted by SuperiorTech
House of M
ah, didn't think it had happened in continuity
Originally posted by Mindset
Cable uses his tk to manipulate matter...his control of tk >>>> MB.Cable is better than MB at everything. Let's not even go there.
Again, using the MB feat for Supes to suggest Cable would do the same... is a no no. It's not just a matter of power but application. Who has Cable applied that kind of strategy on that had Supes durability?
MB didn't try to manip Supes insides he attacked specific weak points, capillaries for one, and he could only pinch those and not tear them up because they were as hard as concrete.
Just wholesale internal matter manip isn't what was applied. That's the kind of thing Supes actually resists, whole sale molecular manipulation.
Originally posted by AllanklesWhat you just said has nothing to do with what I said.
Again, using the MB feat for Supes to suggest Cable would do the same... is a no no. It's not just a matter of power but application. Who has Cable applied that kind of strategy on that had Supes durability?MB didn't try to manip Supes insides he attacked specific weak points, capillaries for one, and he could only pinch those and not tear them up because they were as hard as concrete.
Just wholesale internal matter manip isn't what was applied. That's the kind of thing Supes actually resists, whole sale molecular manipulation.
You implied MB had finer control over his tk than Cable, you are completely wrong.
Anyway, if Cable can extract poison from someone's body, rearrange molecules and cells, and control the cells in his body, then he can manipulate capillaries. 😬
And if you want displays of strength with his tk, he has broken Surfer's board easily, and held up an island continually for weeks as an afterthought.
Like I said, Cable is superior in everyway.
He didn't try to boil up Supes insides or anything overtly messy (I'm not even sure microwaving Supes bloodcells would do anything seeing as they maintain their integrity even with all the nuclear reactions happening inside of them. He clamped blood vessels, that's a deftness of application and a level of control other TKers don't show.
Originally posted by leonidas
this. and there is a LOT wrong with several other posts but honestly i can no longer be bothered.....this is making for interesting discussion though. so do most seem to think a strong tk'er can simply blow up the brain of superman?? what about ss?? why didn't cable attack ss that way?
This. There's a difference between clamping a guys vessels to give him a stroke (a guy with super durable innards at that) and blowing up someone like DP's brain in a more whole scale way.
MB is just more deft, controlled in this area (and appropriately so, the guy he was facing has major durability).
Originally posted by Allankles
This. There's a difference between clamping a guys vessels to give him a stroke (a guy with super durable innards at that) and blowing up someone like DP's brain in a more whole scale way.MB is just more deft, controlled in this area (and appropriately so, the guy he was facing has major durability).
What about using his TK in ways of rebuilding portion of cities all the way down to the atomic level during the time him and Surfer were fighting... or using it to make him invisible, teleport beings to the moon, etc, etc...
MB doesn't come close to Cable control over TK... I feel pretty much safe at saying that Cable can replicate any TK feat of MB on a much higher scale since, well, his TK was on a planetary level.
Ok. So you don't get why that is relevant. As in with regards to how Cable can hurt Supes because bashing him with TK might work for keeping him off but not beating him outright.
Again, he has to have shown this type of application for it to be relevant to him as a battle strategy. Otherwise we're just talking speculation without anything to back it up.
And why mention 100 ton force exertion? That's kind of the opposite of what we've been discussing.
Originally posted by Allankles
Ok. So you don't get why that is relevant. As in with regards to how Cable can hurt Supes because bashing him with TK might work for keeping him off but not beating him outright.Again, he has to have shown this type of application for it to be relevant to him as a battle strategy. Otherwise we're just talking speculation without anything to back it up.
And why mention 100 ton force exertion? That's kind of the opposite of what we've been discussing.
The point is that molecule manipulation requires a great deal more precision and control than clamping capillaries.
