Immense dislike of Christians / Christianity!

Started by BackFire10 pages
Originally posted by bilb
But I tell ya, there is one thing about you anti christians that cracks me up.. The oppositee of love is not hate but indifference. So by your fervent posting I assume you HATE my religion, as you are entitled to do, but hate iimplies passion which implies an emotional attachment. So tell me, do you hate it ot are you indifferent? And if you are indifferent why waste so much of your time debating something you could care less about?

You assume wrong, what I hate is some of the improper shit that gets equated to your religion. I think, in essence, in it's most basic form, christianity is awesome, has some good morals and lessons that is good for everyone to follow, no matter what religion they may be. However, there are some very very questionable things and methods that christianity condones, and some christians annoy the piss out of me, but, as you've said numerous times, that's not unique to your religion.

I'm indifferent towards your religion, if it disapeared tommorow, I wouldn't be happy, I wouldn't be angry, I wouldn't care.

I debate this because I enjoy it, it's interesting to hear others opinion on the topic, and I've never even said anything to denote that I hate your religion, just asking questions and having a discussion.

Originally posted by Tex
From the site I mentioned:

Deism (n): Belief in God as revealed by nature and reason combined with a disbelief in scripture, prophets, superstition and church authority.

Deism is a free-thought philosophy, much like Agnosticism, Atheism or Pantheism in that it rejects the dogmas and superstitions of religion in favor of individual reason and empirical observation of the universe. Deism differs from these other free-thought philosophies in that it sees an order and architecture to the universe that indicates a Creator. The word "God" is used to describe this creator, not to be confused with the "Biblegod."

Deism notes that we as humans are endowed with the power of reason and an indomitable spirit. It follows that we are intended to exercise them. Therefore, skepticism and doubt are not "sins" but rather natural expressions of God's gift of reason.

Because skepticism and doubt are not sins, Deists view with extreme suspicion any efforts by other humans to claim divine authority, such as claiming to be a "prophet" or citing "sacred scripture" said to be written by alleged prophets (as in the Bible, the Quran, the Book of Mormon, etc.). Placing faith in scriptures, prophets, priests, churches, "holy" figures, or traditions is surrendering your personal reason to another source. Usually, this other source has far less interest in "the state of your soul" as the accumulation of wealth and political power.

With scripture and revelation removed, all that remains to know God is personal reason and observation of the universe. Essentially, this is getting to know the artist by studying the artwork. The only "Word of God" is the universe itself.

You may not believe this but I happen to agree with alot of that. While I do believe the Bible and its prophets I also believe that blind faith is no faith. To that end I have researched this on my own and have my own set of beliefs, some that coincide with the church, some that do not. I do however believe that the utmost important aspect is to have a personal one on one relationship with God, which sounds alot like what you are saying

Thats pretty much where I'm at as well Bilb. I just despise the flamefests that originate by people who wont accept people who do have a belief system. I honestly could give a rats ass if someone believes in God, religion is a personal thing IMHO, but I do have a problem with someone not allowing me to HAVE my own beliefs without being critized for them as some kind of fanatic.

Originally posted by BackFire
You assume wrong, what I hate is some of the improper shit that gets equated to your religion. I think, in essence, in it's most basic form, christianity is awesome, has some good morals and lessons that is good for everyone to follow, no matter what religion they may be. However, there are some very very questionable things and methods that christianity condones, and some christians annoy the piss out of me, but, as you've said numerous times, that's not unique to your religion.

I'm indifferent towards your religion, if it disapeared tommorow, I wouldn't be happy, I wouldn't be angry, I wouldn't care.

I debate this because I enjoy it, it's interesting to hear others opinion on the topic, and I've never even said anything to denote that I hate your religion, just asking questions and having a discussion.

Ok, point taken. And I agree that ' there are some very very questionable things and methods that christianity condones'.. never denied it. And I enjoy a good rational debate as well so I applaud you for debating with integruty and not stooping to flames or condescension..

Yeah, and don't let Tex get to you, you have to remember, he lives in Texas, the crazy conservative christian capital of the world, I'm sure he's encountered more annoying wacky bible pushers then you or I combined. I'm sure he doesn't actually think EVERY christian is bad or evil or bible pushers, he's just had some bad experiences, and I can't really blame him. Because the few really annoying ones I've encountered can really give the whole religion a bad name.

Originally posted by BackFire
Yeah, and don't let Tex get to you, you have to remember, he lives in Texas, the crazy conservative christian capital of the world, I'm sure he's encountered more annoying wacky bible pushers then you or I combined. I'm sure he doesn't actually think EVERY christian is bad or evil or bible pushers, if he does, he's wrong.

He didnt get to me.. But I am sure that that is VERY true!! 😆

Well it is Texas after all. 😉

Originally posted by BackFire
Because the few really annoying ones I've encountered can really give the whole religion a bad name.

I know exactly what you mean, believe me it makes me just as furious seeing as how I feel I have to defend myself simply because of their ignorance..

Tell me about it girls! Everywhere I look people have Jesus fish on their cars and W2004 on their bumpers.

The horror!

Luckily I live in the Gay Jewish part of town. People I can relate too! 😛

Never heard of this before, but hey whatever floats your boat I say
never heard of deist before?.......hmm didnt they ever teach you in school that many of your countries founding fathers where practicing deists, or maybe they didnt share the founding fathers view on that matter and left that little detail out

Might have, but that more than likely would have been in Religion class and that was my nap time. 😂

actally I would say that it belonged more to US history class than religion class

😆

Originally posted by finti
actally I would say that it belonged more to US history class than religion class

Nope I was awake for history I'm sure of it. 😂

well seeing that you didnt know this Im sure you werent awake 😄

I'm pissed that christians think psychic abilities is the devil trying to get through to you.

When God "sent us to Earth" he each gave us a small degree of psychic abilities to help us.

It's our birth right, not some ****ing plan of the devils.

Get over it.

Ah yes, another person who feels the need to lump all Christians into one big basket. 🙄

I dont think your theory is the work of the devil at all, stupid, yep, dumbest thing I ever heard, but not the work of the devil.

Next time you decide to make a blanket statement, make sure you are speaking for all Christians as you claim to be. 😂

Originally posted by Tex
Because your Christian president and senators and congressmen are forcing their religious beliefs into my everyday life.

HOW?

Praise be to God. 🙂

I thank God I'm Christian.

Ok, this is from my point of view and to offer an apology to anyone who feels offended from my side in any way. It was never my intention, Christian or non Christian.

I understand fundamentalism, and I understand there is a lot of it in America, and perhaps my view on all of this is different, because I am on the outside. I do not have personal experiences or prejudices and I also see beyond America, and as someone who is an active member of Amnesty International, I do not belive in prejudices or hate - but I also do not believe in extremism. Religion is not a legitimate excuse for hate of people different to oneself especially in the terms of skin colour, sexuality or gender - and the sad fact is, it happens everywhere and in all major organized religions.

I understand that people get affected in their every day lives by fundamentalist Christians, but at the same time I know not all are fundamentalist and not all of them fit the profile of the crazy bible-basher discriminators.
My view is different to yours when it comes to Christians because I am an neutral outside party. But I udnerstand your frustration at the fundamentalist Christians. I think thats healthy to understand that there is something wrong with few people - however not all are like that, i am pretty sure.

I am also more alert to the fact that, there are people outside America who are oppressed by other religions on the daily bases, yet because I am not there, just like I am not in America, i feel for them just as much as I feel for Americans and their fundamentalist.

Like I said this before, fundamentalism is a result of ignorance and arrogance, and any person suffering under the law of religion has my sympathy and my compassion, regardless of where they are.

The fact that Christians in America do not have ''honour killings'' ''morality police'' and ''blood money'' kind of gives me hope that there is a way out - through education.

Christians are not opressive force around the world, and here is how much a life of a Hindu woman is worth compared to the life of a Muslim man in Saudi Arabia when paid in blood money -

''The Wall Street Journal, April 9, 2002: In Saudi Arabia , there is the concept of blood money. If a person has been killed or caused to die by another, the latter has to pay blood money or compensation, as follows:

100,000 riyals if the victim is a Muslim man

50,000 riyals if a Muslim woman

50,000 riyals if a Christian man

25,000 riyals if a Christian woman

6,666 riyals if a Hindu man

3,333 riyals if a Hindu woman
That is, a Muslim man's life is worth 33 times that of a Hindu woman''

It is for this reason i cannot accept that only Christians are the horrible tyrants - because regardless of their crazy attitudes, people there have more freedom than many other people around the world. I believe in re-form and education - and separation of church and state, obviously.

So again, my apologies to anyone who felt offended in any way - it was never my intention.