Immense dislike of Christians / Christianity!

Started by bilb10 pages

Originally posted by DCLXVI
JP> Your first post "(Americans, Christians)" is ignorant, because not all Americans are Christians &/or Catholics, so you should not group them so. 😉

Seeing as how you meant me, I will reply.. in that first post I wasnt sure where this thread was headed so I posted something off the top of my head. Now that there is actually something to debate I think you will see from my other posts that I have explained my views more fully since then..

And Phinn.............. absolutely

Originally posted by Tex
Ok wow, I dont even know where to begin.

Putting your "hundreds of accounts to back the stories of the New Testament" aside, lets look at some FACTS to dispel them.

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The Israelites did not come from Egypt but emerged from the local population.

There was no ancient 'Jewish Empire'. Jerusalem in 10th century BC was barely a village of mud-brick huts and cave dwellings.

Kings David and Solomon are purely mythical characters – warrior/priest heroes, invented in the 6th century BC.

Herod the Great was a real king – but he did not massacre any babies. He was an astute and successful ruler. His massive building program included the so-called 'Wailing Wall', erroneously ascribed to 'Solomon'.

Following a star would lead you round in circles.

Nazareth did not exist in the 1st century AD – the area was a burial ground of rock-cut tombs.

The first believers in Jesus maintained he was a sun-god in the sky. Only later did he acquire a death, a life and finally a birth.
'You say we worship the sun; so do you.'
Church Father Tertullian ('Ad nationes'😉 (160-220AD)
The sun 'dies' for three days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops in its movement south, to be born again or 'resurrected' on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north.

Nothing in the 'Christian message' was original. It was a vulgarised paganism, debased by religious intolerance. The early Christian sects attacked each other as energetically as they attacked the pagans.

The composite 'Jesus Christ' character – god, man, king, carpenter, conqueror, peace-maker, dispenser of justice, advocate of love – was assembled to try and unify a fragmented and fractious messianic religious movement.

The original Mary was not a virgin. The idea was borrowed from pagan goddesses.

There never was just one Christianity. Out of the milieu of religiosity that infected the Roman world, dozens of competing and conflicting Jesus/Sun-god/Mystery cults emerged

The 12 disciples are as fictitious as their master, invented to legitimise the claims of the early churches.

Writing gospels was a popular literary form, producing dozens of fantastic stories which competed with Greek romantic fiction. Political considerations in the late 2nd century led to the selection of just four approved gospels and the rejection of others.

The Church expropriated the resources – both human and material – which might have defended Roman civilization. While an indolent army of clerics lived on the state, the impoverished legions degenerated into a peasant militia.

The barbarian tribes that overran the weakened Roman Empire were, for the most part, Christianized; the forces that opposed them, pagan.

Once a particular Christianity – hierarchical and authoritarian – became wedded to the Roman state, it became a force of brutal repression. This so-called 'orthodoxy' suppressed and persecuted its 'heretical' opposition.

A triumphant Christianity was the active agent in destroying knowledge and access to learning. An ignorant and impoverished population was more readily subjugated by Princes of the Church.

...and on and on and on.

Close your bible and open a history book.
Or check out this bible:
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/

You cannot be serious.. That is the silliest argument against the Bible I have ever heard. Not one bit of it true. Have you ever even read the Bible?? Even scholars who dont believe in its tennats will tel you it is a very accurate look at th ehistory of the time..

Originally posted by bilb
Forgive the expression, but 'from a certain point of view' yes it is. I think th Bible was inspired by God and written by men, Men are falliable and make mistakes. They use incoreect timelines, metaphors and parables to get across a certain point, and at times I think embellished things.. that does not take away from the message. You just have to be willing to let it into your heart and see past the errors of man to see the greater truth..

Sorry, to vague, not a valid answer.

Do you think everything in the bible actually happened, as it says in the bible?

I answered you, if you dont care for my answer so be it, but it comes down to faith..

But I tell ya, there is one thing about you anti christians that cracks me up.. The oppositee of love is not hate but indifference. So by your fervent posting I assume you HATE my religion, as you are entitled to do, but hate iimplies passion which implies an emotional attachment. So tell me, do you hate it ot are you indifferent? And if you are indifferent why waste so much of your time debating something you could care less about?

Originally posted by bilb
Even scholars who dont believe in its tennats will tel you it is a very accurate look at th ehistory of the time..

You mean to tell me that you actually believe the world as we know it today was created in 6 days? (Scientifically disproved)

Or that a great flood covered the entire planet and wiped out every living thing except what was on Noah's ark? (Scientifically disproved)

Or that humans were created from sand and a rib? (Scientifically disproved)

Or that dragons and satyrs roamed the earth and angels danced in the skies? (I haven't seen any of those around have you?)

Yes, very accurate look at the history of the time. 😛

Originally posted by bilb
And if you are indifferent why waste so much of your time debating something you could care less about?

Because your Christian president and senators and congressmen are forcing their religious beliefs into my everyday life.

So? If you could care less then stop arguing

Well you can always move Tex. Honestly, trying to argue religion on a forum board is pointless. No one wins.

Originally posted by Tex
You mean to tell me that you actually believe the world as we know it today was created in 6 days? (Scientifically disproved)

Or that a great flood covered the entire planet and wiped out every living thing except what was on Noah's ark? (Scientifically disproved)

Or that humans were created from sand and a rib? (Scientifically disproved)

Or that dragons and satyrs roamed the earth and angels danced in the skies? (I haven't seen any of those around have you?)

Yes, very accurate look at the history of the time. 😛

See above reply to Back Fire's question as to whether I believe all of the Bible or not

And at what point have I done anything but state my OWN personal feelings? I havent tried to convert you so what do you care?

Why move? Why do I care? Almost half the country agrees with me. I'm going to work to make this country the best it can be.

Return to a democratic government that is more concerned with schools, education, health care and jobs that stays out of people's bedrooms and doesn't panhandle Christianity.

What are you smoking? Cause your dealer ripped you off. I have to say that I have met more atheists at KMC in the last year of my life than I have the other 43 years. It's like some little coven here. And you guys make it a point to attack Christians for some reason. I dont see any thread evidence of any Christian member holding an assembly or a big conversion. But you just mention God in a thread and the atheists flock to it to condemn you, like a monkey on a cookie. Yet we are the intolerant ones. 🙄

Originally posted by Tex
Why move? Why do I care? Almost half the country agrees with me. I'm going to work to make this country the best it can be.

Return to a democratic government that is more concerned with schools, education, health care and jobs that stays out of people's bedrooms and doesn't panhandle Christianity.

I already said I agree with that. Separation of church and state is vital IMO.. so why are we argiung??

Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
What are you smoking? Cause your dealer ripped you off. I have to say that I have met more atheists at KMC in the last year of my life than I have the other 43 years. It's like some little coven here. And you guys make it a point to attack Christians for some reason. I dont see any thread evidence of any Christian member holding an assembly or a big conversion. But you just mention God in a thread and the atheists flock to it to condemn you, like a monkey on a cookie. Yet we are the intolerant ones. 🙄

ABSOLUTELY RIGHT

Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
What are you smoking? Cause your dealer ripped you off. I have to say that I have met more atheists at KMC in the last year of my life than I have the other 43 years. It's like some little coven here. And you guys make it a point to attack Christians for some reason. I dont see any thread evidence of any Christian member holding an assembly or a big conversion. But you just mention God in a thread and the atheists flock to it to condemn you, like a monkey on a cookie. Yet we are the intolerant ones. 🙄

I believe in god, I'm a deist.
www.deism.org

Although I share many beliefs held by atheists.

I've actually come to believe that there is some kind of anti-christian red alert button you all have that sends out a beacon like the bat signal to send non-christians running to threads to flame Christians myself. 😂

Originally posted by Tex
I believe in god, I'm a deist.
www.deism.org

Although I share many beliefs held by atheists.

OK I'm intrigued.. what exaclty do you believe then??

Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
I've actually come to believe that there is some kind of anti-christian red alert button you all have that sends out a beacon like the bat signal to send non-christians running to threads to flame Christians myself. 😂

Who told you!?!? 😠

Errr I mean, that's so silly its preposterous! 😗

Originally posted by bilb
OK I'm intrigued.. what exaclty do you believe then??

From the site I mentioned:

Deism (n): Belief in God as revealed by nature and reason combined with a disbelief in scripture, prophets, superstition and church authority.

Deism is a free-thought philosophy, much like Agnosticism, Atheism or Pantheism in that it rejects the dogmas and superstitions of religion in favor of individual reason and empirical observation of the universe. Deism differs from these other free-thought philosophies in that it sees an order and architecture to the universe that indicates a Creator. The word "God" is used to describe this creator, not to be confused with the "Biblegod."

Deism notes that we as humans are endowed with the power of reason and an indomitable spirit. It follows that we are intended to exercise them. Therefore, skepticism and doubt are not "sins" but rather natural expressions of God's gift of reason.

Because skepticism and doubt are not sins, Deists view with extreme suspicion any efforts by other humans to claim divine authority, such as claiming to be a "prophet" or citing "sacred scripture" said to be written by alleged prophets (as in the Bible, the Quran, the Book of Mormon, etc.). Placing faith in scriptures, prophets, priests, churches, "holy" figures, or traditions is surrendering your personal reason to another source. Usually, this other source has far less interest in "the state of your soul" as the accumulation of wealth and political power.

With scripture and revelation removed, all that remains to know God is personal reason and observation of the universe. Essentially, this is getting to know the artist by studying the artwork. The only "Word of God" is the universe itself.

Never heard of this before, but hey whatever floats your boat I say.