Immense dislike of Christians / Christianity!

Neither can I, but I don't pity them, they choose to do it themselves, no one makes them believe what they believe.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
So ultimately what you're saying here? Its noones responsibility to educate them, but this is whats wrong with them, and we hate them. They are disease and ultimately need to be got rid of...if that is not whats being said, then please explain what is being said?

Calling a group of people ''disease'' on society is not talking what is wrong with him - that is already preaching of hate and prejudice.

Hitler hated Jews - he hated everything about them and their beliefs. Ayatollah Khomeini hated Americans and everyhting about them and their beliefs...those were just nuts enough to act on their hate.

Hate, ignorance and greed are the biggest problems in our society - and if you think that to fight hate is to hate back, then you are sadly mistaken - hate only brings more hate, and more suffering.

Are you saying that only Christians are homophobic? Are you saying that only Christians ever killed in the nameof god? If so, then you are missinformed. The reality is much different. And generalisation is dangerous.

Talk to the hand Oprah! 😛

I've made it very clear on many occasions that I feel every religion is wrong and detrimental to human advancement. Christianity affects me foremost (than the other religions) and as such receives my most detailed dislike! schmoll

It is impossible to educate those Christian heathen's! For they believe that questioning their beliefs is a deadly sin that will send them into the eternal pit-fires of hell where they'll be tortured alongside naked gay men and BF! 😛

How dare you compare me to Hitler! 😠 With that hair style of his!?!?! I'm inconsolable!diva

I dont want to kill off the Christians, I just wish they would keep their beliefs to themselves and not try to force them into my government!

But that's impossible, because "god" told them to spread "his" word, which means forcing it upon the world at whatever means possible.

As far as the hate goes. I have no respect for anyone who discriminates unjustly. I justly hate. diva

Ewwwwwww! You compared me to Oprah and you're bitching that i compared you to Hitler!

I think its pretty obvious that your insult was worse! schmoll

Originally posted by Tex

It is impossible to educate those Christian heathen's! For they believe that questioning their beliefs is a deadly sin that will send them into the eternal pit-fires of hell where they'll be tortured alongside naked gay men and BF! 😛

I dont want to kill off the Christians, I just wish they would keep their beliefs to themselves and not try to force them into my government!

But that's impossible, because "god" told them to spread "his" word, which means forcing it upon the world at whatever means possible.

diva

That is absolutely untrue, I consider myself quite educated and do what I can to keep myself aprised of all things that could/should influence my faith. I keep an open mind, learn all sides of an issue and then decide for myself.
And I too fervently believe ina seperation of church and state. I think it is vital for the government to continue as a democracy, is in fact that is what we still have.
Yes, God does call upon his people to spread his word but the manner in which one chooses to do so makes all the difference. I could stand on a street corner professiong 'the end is near!' or I can live my life in such a way that I believe reflects the teachings of Christ, which is what I try to do. I fail miserably of course, but that is the way in which I choose to floow this directive. Other choose various methods.. some good and some reprehensible, but its not the faith thats the problem, its the exection of acts in the name of that faith be it Christianity or otherwise.

AND FYI, saying the Bible is fictional is inaccurate and a bit insulting. Simply because you choose to not believe it does not make in a work of fiction. Its a matter of faith, and that is a point which ultimately cannot be argued. If you believe it you believe it, if you dont you dont.

"AND FYI, saying the Bible is fictional is inaccurate and a bit insulting. Simply because you choose to not believe it does not make in a work of fiction. Its a matter of faith, and that is a point which ultimately cannot be argued. If you believe it you believe it, if you dont you dont."

Believing in something does not remove the reasonable label of a book with stories of talking snakes, a magician who can walk on water and turn water into wine and forbidden fruit as fiction. Almost nothing in the book can be proven as fact, as such, it is technically fiction, untill people can prove otherwise.

Ok, what do you take as proof then? There are HUNDREDS of documented accounts that these things did in fact take place.. were they ALL lying?? There is more historical proof to prove taht Jesus lived than there is to prove George Washington did.. CS Lewis, Mere Chrisitianity

and as a postnote, unless you can definitely prove that these events did NOT happen you cannot argue against them. Again it comes down to personal faith.

No, they aren't lying, they were telling stories to get across morals, the bible is nothing more then a guide as to how one should live their life.

And I'm not talking about the names of the characters in the stories, I'm talking about the content of the stories as fictional.

Originally posted by BackFire
No, they aren't lying, they were telling stories to get across morals, the bible is nothing more then a guide as to how one should live their life.

And I'm not talking about the names of the characters in the stories, I'm talking about the content of the stories as fictional.

Well yes & no. The stories do contain morals and that is its most effective use. However, there is substantial proof that they did take place.

And I am referring to the actual content as well.... You may choose to disbelieve them if you like, but I think if you were to research it on your own, without listening to zealots, bigots and the like you would find alot of beauty and alot of truth in those words, whether you choose to accept them as literal or metaphorical..

Sorry, I can't bring myself to believe that a snake talked to Even and had her eat some forbidden fruit. I can't bring myself to believe some guy can walk on water, seeing as it's phyisically impossible.

Some small aspects may be true, but the vast majority of it is pure fiction, which is obvious if you really look.

Originally posted by Tex
Shuttup you cross worshiper! tongue10
If you love Jesus so much why dont you marry him!?!? schmoll
And dont even think about wearing white down the aisle! diva
Makes you look fat and clashes with those dark rings around your eyes and....I cant remember the other reason! naughty

Damn I'm hot! diva
Take notes doll! winkiss

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I hate Christians so much because their beliefs directly affect my everyday life. It's really hard seeing as I live in The United States of Jesusland and my president is a born again evangelical Christian nut job who's driving my country back 200 years. The bible is the new constitution.

Jews and Muslims I dont agree with either but there's not many of them in the US so I cant be bothered hating them. Hating Christians is a lot of hard work doll! I need several spa pampering treatments to recuperate! eyes

Seems like you're sharing the boat with them then, cause your putting yourself in gods place to judge them..

Originally posted by BackFire
Sorry, I can't bring myself to believe that a snake talked to Even and had her eat some forbidden fruit. I can't bring myself to believe some guy can walk on water, seeing as it's phyisically impossible.

Some small aspects may be true, but the vast majority of it is pure fiction, which is obvious if you really look.

I understand what you mean, I had alot of problems with these things as well for many years. However, there are great universal truths to be found, and once you embrace those everything alse seems insignificant

Universal moral truths does not make the book non fiction. A lot of fiction books have moral truth and good lessons to be learned, they're still fiction.

Thats a good point, but like I said earlier, there are hundreds of accounts from all sorts of people who lived at that time that back up the stories. Until you have definitive proof that they didnt happen, your argument is one of emotion, not fact.

That's not how proof works, you don't prove a negative, you prove a positive. By that, I mean you don't prove something doesn't exist, it's up to those who believe in something to prove it does exist. Untill something is proven to exist it is reasonable to say that it isn't real.

You can learn many good lessons from many religious writings...

Originally posted by BackFire
That's not how proof works, you don't prove a negative, you prove a positive. By that, I mean you don't prove something doesn't exist, it's up to those who believe in something to prove it does exist. Untill something is proven to exist it is reasonable to say that it isn't real.

Yes thats true, so I will say it for the third time.. There are HUNDREDS of accounts to back the stories of the New Testament. In dealing with past generations teh most conclusive evidence is historical therefore I believe I HAVE proved this, again & again. I once more refer you to C. S. Lewis book Mere Christianity... he lays it out much more eloquently than I can

So you believe everything in the bible is true, and really happened?

Originally posted by bilb
That is absolutely untrue, I consider myself quite educated and do what I can to keep myself aprised of all things that could/should influence my faith. I keep an open mind, learn all sides of an issue and then decide for myself.
And I too fervently believe ina seperation of church and state. I think it is vital for the government to continue as a democracy, is in fact that is what we still have.
Yes, God does call upon his people to spread his word but the manner in which one chooses to do so makes all the difference. I could stand on a street corner professiong 'the end is near!' or I can live my life in such a way that I believe reflects the teachings of Christ, which is what I try to do. I fail miserably of course, but that is the way in which I choose to floow this directive. Other choose various methods.. some good and some reprehensible, but its not the faith thats the problem, its the exection of acts in the name of that faith be it Christianity or otherwise.

AND FYI, saying the Bible is fictional is inaccurate and a bit insulting. Simply because you choose to not believe it does not make in a work of fiction. Its a matter of faith, and that is a point which ultimately cannot be argued. If you believe it you believe it, if you dont you dont.

completely agreed. yes I am a christian. No I am not a bigot. No I do not agree with muslims who slaughter (although the real muslim religion is peaceful) yet saying I do not agree with muslims who murder gets me called a racist. Yes I think all people are equal. yes I am sick of being wrongly accused as being a bigot and racist because im a christian. Do I have a problem with homosexuality, no. Would I have gay friends, yes. Would I want them to come onto me or flaunt it in a way that makes me uncomfortable, no I would want them to respect me as I respect them. Are good people going to heavan regardless of religion, imo yes. Are bad people going to hell regardless of religion. yes imo. I again repeat, I hate being labeled as a Bigot because Im a christian.

Originally posted by BackFire
So you believe everything in the bible is true, and really happened?

Forgive the expression, but 'from a certain point of view' yes it is. I think th Bible was inspired by God and written by men, Men are falliable and make mistakes. They use incoreect timelines, metaphors and parables to get across a certain point, and at times I think embellished things.. that does not take away from the message. You just have to be willing to let it into your heart and see past the errors of man to see the greater truth..

Originally posted by bilb
Yes thats true, so I will say it for the third time.. There are HUNDREDS of accounts to back the stories of the New Testament. In dealing with past generations teh most conclusive evidence is historical therefore I believe I HAVE proved this, again & again. I once more refer you to C. S. Lewis book Mere Christianity... he lays it out much more eloquently than I can

Ok wow, I dont even know where to begin.

Putting your "hundreds of accounts to back the stories of the New Testament" aside, lets look at some FACTS to dispel them.

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The Israelites did not come from Egypt but emerged from the local population.

There was no ancient 'Jewish Empire'. Jerusalem in 10th century BC was barely a village of mud-brick huts and cave dwellings.

Kings David and Solomon are purely mythical characters – warrior/priest heroes, invented in the 6th century BC.

Herod the Great was a real king – but he did not massacre any babies. He was an astute and successful ruler. His massive building program included the so-called 'Wailing Wall', erroneously ascribed to 'Solomon'.

Following a star would lead you round in circles.

Nazareth did not exist in the 1st century AD – the area was a burial ground of rock-cut tombs.

The first believers in Jesus maintained he was a sun-god in the sky. Only later did he acquire a death, a life and finally a birth.
'You say we worship the sun; so do you.'
Church Father Tertullian ('Ad nationes'😉 (160-220AD)
The sun 'dies' for three days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops in its movement south, to be born again or 'resurrected' on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north.

Nothing in the 'Christian message' was original. It was a vulgarised paganism, debased by religious intolerance. The early Christian sects attacked each other as energetically as they attacked the pagans.

The composite 'Jesus Christ' character – god, man, king, carpenter, conqueror, peace-maker, dispenser of justice, advocate of love – was assembled to try and unify a fragmented and fractious messianic religious movement.

The original Mary was not a virgin. The idea was borrowed from pagan goddesses.

There never was just one Christianity. Out of the milieu of religiosity that infected the Roman world, dozens of competing and conflicting Jesus/Sun-god/Mystery cults emerged

The 12 disciples are as fictitious as their master, invented to legitimise the claims of the early churches.

Writing gospels was a popular literary form, producing dozens of fantastic stories which competed with Greek romantic fiction. Political considerations in the late 2nd century led to the selection of just four approved gospels and the rejection of others.

The Church expropriated the resources – both human and material – which might have defended Roman civilization. While an indolent army of clerics lived on the state, the impoverished legions degenerated into a peasant militia.

The barbarian tribes that overran the weakened Roman Empire were, for the most part, Christianized; the forces that opposed them, pagan.

Once a particular Christianity – hierarchical and authoritarian – became wedded to the Roman state, it became a force of brutal repression. This so-called 'orthodoxy' suppressed and persecuted its 'heretical' opposition.

A triumphant Christianity was the active agent in destroying knowledge and access to learning. An ignorant and impoverished population was more readily subjugated by Princes of the Church.

...and on and on and on.

Close your bible and open a history book.
Or check out this bible:
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/