Originally posted by whobdamandog
He also K.O.'d Titatnia in Secret Wars with his bare hands..as well as the Rhino on a couple of occasions...He definately has the strength to KO Creed.
"Only because of wolverines popularity. As tight as he is he is not in Spider-mans league realistically. He is a great match for sabertooth though"
the fight I'm reffering to happened back in the late 80's (maybe early 90's) either way it was long before wolverine got the uber fan base he has today. In terms of popularity at the time the book was published. spiderman farrrrrrrr outweighed wolvie....besides, that's a lame argument.
"Spidey'd beat Sabretooth. Look what he was doing to Wolvie when they fought in Germany. It's even more dramatic when you realize that Spidey was scared and fighting with his eyes closed. Imagine what an older, more seasoned Spidey'd do to Sabretooth."
Appearantly you didn't get the jist of the comic, how did the fight end? wolverine punched spiderman in the face and ended up on top of spiderman. secondly, he wasn't relying on his eyes because his spider sense was doing a better job of kieeping him out of harms way, his eyes were deceiving him to logans speed. blocking out all his other senses he could more heavily rely on his spider sense to get the job done, besides if his eyes were completely closed how would he know wolverine was smiling at him......that aside sabretooth is an entirely different animal than wolverine is. He's physically stronger and has a faster healing factor...hence, if spidey couldn't knock out wolverine, he ain't knocking out sabretooth. nuff said.
Maybe you didn't get the jist. You're wrong about the ending. Read it again when you get a chance. Spidey let Wolvie tackle him. There wasn't any punch that Wolvie landed to get on top of Spidey. Spidey wanted to end the fight by breaking Wolvies neck. Spidey's not a killer though and Wolvie knew it.
If you're going to say that spider-man aint a killer then you should also say that he would beat sabertooth every time he fought him because thats exactly what he's done in the comics. In the comics Spidey decides not to kill but that doesn't mean that he's not able to change his mind whenever HE decides to. In the comics it wouldn't fit spideys character for him to kill often so the writers wont have him do that. But there aint no writers in this fight. If spidey wants to kill sabertooth can't heal up faster than spidey can web him up and pulp him. Spider-man cocoons Sabertooth and drowns like an unwanted cat. Fight over
And the same thing goes for wolverine. Spidey could slap the sh*t out of him to keep from bruising his knuckles on that metal skull and still rattle some of his brains out the other side of his head.
SPIDEY: 10+ ton strengh level
spider-sense
superhuman agility
superhuman reflexes
superhuman speed
WOLVEY:less than 1000 pound strengh level
honed human agility
honed human reflexes
honed human speed
superhuman 5 senses
unbreakable skeleton (Which I'm not exactly sure if he has anymore)
And finally if it were that easy to gut Spider-Man he'd have been killed by now.
some of you all dont know what youre talking about. Sabertooth is 1 of marvels most dangerous mutant, and that was before the adamantium. If you were to look at sabertooth stats it clearly says that he has enhanced strength and speed, he will tag spiderman. Spiderman is great and all but sabertooth is just a different story. Have anyone read marvel knights #13, where wolverine and spiderman fights and with ease wolverine injects his claws in spidermans chest, it wouldnt be no different with sabertooth.
Everyone keeps bringing up that daredevil fight, how long ago was that, wasnt that with sabertooth being a lot weaker than he is now. Another thing, in marvel knights wolverine broke free from spiderman webbing with ease. Look at the type of enemies spiderman fights vulture ( who is human), doc ock (who is human), lizard (who was human), kraven(who was human but aint got nothing on sabertooth. Majority of his enemies is comparable to sabertooth, almost forgot one, tombstone (who was human and would get slaughtered by sabertooth.
If spiderman is to fight sabertooth now with his enhancements, he better has some help because its going to be just like that spiderman and morlun fight, with spiderman trying to do everything in his power to drop the guy but he is taking everything he is dishing out, and it ends with spiderman running.
Please people dont say that spiderman isnt going to get hit by sabertooth, its going to happen and its going to happen alot of times. Everyone of spiderman enemies beat the crap out of him, if not then his comic would only be 2 pages. The difference about this is that his enemy is an adamantuim sabertooth and once hes tagged by sabertooth, sabertooth is looking for a kill. Spiderman can punch with all of his might, throw things at sabertooth but sabertooth is going to continue to get up. Sabertooth is totally different from venom, venom is very sloppy and he has a lot of weaknesses which sabertooth dont have, i seen the guy get burned to a crisp and was still fighting. Can someone please tell me how spiderman is going to win this besides ko because thats never going to happen. Spiderman needs to stick to fighting the human enemies he has because sabertooth is at a different level. And yes sabertooth is alot stronger than wolverine, the reason wolverine wins is because he is alot more skilled than sabertooth.
Originally posted by whobdamandog
He also K.O.'d Titatnia in Secret Wars with his bare hands..as well as the Rhino on a couple of occasions...He definately has the strength to KO Creed.
He didnt ko titania he pushed her from the building and she got back up and didnt believe what happen. Back then spiderman was like one of the baddest hero that was made. Back then the guy fought the xmen by himself, he even beat up on superman, with the aid of lex luthor. That was around the time when marvel was trying to make spiderman as popular as he is now and it seem to work. Give me some current issues where spiderman is doing all these great stunts and stop going to secret wars because everyone has changed some much since them times (80-90s).
When spiderman was fighting hulk, hulk grabbed spiderman by the head and spiderman was stating that hulk was crushing his head and he couldnt breath. Spiderman could have died that day, but hulk got distracted and jumped off, without killing spiderman. Spiderman wasnt even a worthy fight against the hulk and if hulk as slow as he is can tag spiderman, at the beggining of a sabertooth and spiderman fight, sabertooth shouldnt have a problem. when spiderman fought absorbing man, spiderman didnt even land a lick, except when he sprayed water on him trying to rust him but after that absorbing man ends up throwing car parts up on parker end of fight. The CURRENT sabertooth would mop the floor with spiderman and please dont go back to secret wars, out of date, back then spiderman was the superman but now he is just a simple metahuman, who fights simple metaHUMANS.
Give sabertooth a better fight like him vs venom, more interesting.
According to Marvel.com, Sabertooth's powers are:
- accelerated healing factor
- superhumanly accute senses
- indestructible adamantium skeleton and claws
Nowhere does it say Sabertooth is capable of superhuman strength and durability. Spider-Man, however, can bench press 10 tons (20,000 lbs), which is a hell of a lot more than Sabertooth can. Between Spider-Man's reflexes, which are 10-15 times faster than a normal human being, coupled with his Spider-Sense and his strength, Spider-Man is not only too fast for Sabertooth, he's also too strong. The only thing Sabertooth has going for him is his healing factor (which can be beaten; he doesn't heal instantaneously), his bones, and his natural weaponry. Unbreakable bones don't keep you from passing out when you're hit too hard on your noggin, and claws ain't much good for cuttin' stuff that isn't there.
Originally posted by derrick24
some of you all dont know what youre talking about. Sabertooth is 1 of marvels most dangerous mutant, and that was before the adamantium. If you were to look at sabertooth stats it clearly says that he has enhanced strength and speed, he will tag spiderman. Spiderman is great and all but sabertooth is just a different story. Have anyone read marvel knights #13, where wolverine and spiderman fights and with ease wolverine injects his claws in spidermans chest, it wouldnt be no different with sabertooth.Everyone keeps bringing up that daredevil fight, how long ago was that, wasnt that with sabertooth being a lot weaker than he is now. Another thing, in marvel knights wolverine broke free from spiderman webbing with ease. Look at the type of enemies spiderman fights vulture ( who is human), doc ock (who is human), lizard (who was human), kraven(who was human but aint got nothing on sabertooth. Majority of his enemies is comparable to sabertooth, almost forgot one, tombstone (who was human and would get slaughtered by sabertooth.
If spiderman is to fight sabertooth now with his enhancements, he better has some help because its going to be just like that spiderman and morlun fight, with spiderman trying to do everything in his power to drop the guy but he is taking everything he is dishing out, and it ends with spiderman running.
Please people dont say that spiderman isnt going to get hit by sabertooth, its going to happen and its going to happen alot of times. Everyone of spiderman enemies beat the crap out of him, if not then his comic would only be 2 pages. The difference about this is that his enemy is an adamantuim sabertooth and once hes tagged by sabertooth, sabertooth is looking for a kill. Spiderman can punch with all of his might, throw things at sabertooth but sabertooth is going to continue to get up. Sabertooth is totally different from venom, venom is very sloppy and he has a lot of weaknesses which sabertooth dont have, i seen the guy get burned to a crisp and was still fighting. Can someone please tell me how spiderman is going to win this besides ko because thats never going to happen. Spiderman needs to stick to fighting the human enemies he has because sabertooth is at a different level. And yes sabertooth is alot stronger than wolverine, the reason wolverine wins is because he is alot more skilled than sabertooth.
(And just so you know the only reason Doc Ock hasn't killed spider-man like this is because spider-mans muscles are too strong for that to be an easy feat. Creeds are not.)
"If you're going to say that spider-man aint a killer then you should also say that he would beat sabertooth every time he fought him because thats exactly what he's done in the comics."
ummmm nope...in a crossover sabes held his own against spiderman and punisher, nuff said.
"And the same thing goes for wolverine. Spidey could slap the sh*t out of him to keep from bruising his knuckles on that metal skull and still rattle some of his brains out the other side of his head."
hulk has a hard time doing it...spiderman COULDN'T do it....thus spiderman can't.
"According to Marvel.com, Sabertooth's powers are:"
marvel sites and handbooks are consitantly proven to be inaccurate and inconsistant. we've already given a plethora of examplesfrom actual comics where sabretooth displays more ability than his bio suggests....read the rest of the thread.
"Sabertooth is not as fast as any of the bullets spiderman has dodged and he has dodged tens of thousands.'
once again wolverine dodges bullets too....and wolverine as claimed sabretooth to be faster than him on multple occasions.
the thing is as I stated before sabretooth beat killpower a guy with herc level strength super speed reflexes agility and a healing factor...sabretooth has more than what it will take to down spidey.
I'm not debating that writing is inconsistant, but marvel guides and handbooks are worse than most comic books. The point is that sabretooth has consistantly shown himself to have super human strength, a faster healing factor than logans, and is overall quicker than logan. Everybody is saying sm will knock him the **** out. bases on past showings......he won't.
All I was trying to point out is that if these guys were real with the abilities that they have right now and they fought the outcome of the fight wouldn't be basesd on anything but their skills. Fights in the comics are almost contradictory sometimes. (like when spider-man ko'd the hulk, even though I loved it I thought "that couldn't happen!" but the facts are that it did. I still won't use that fight to support an argument because we all know that Spidey can't do that whether they wrote him doing it or not. Based strictly on their abilities wolverine AND Sabertooth
move in slow motion compared to Spidey all the time he could dodge them both all day long, they are not on his level no more than he is on the hulks or Thors. And also the hulks hands are as big as half of Wolverines body so hitting just his head would be sorta tricky, but if hulk wants wolverine dead he's dead( Especially without a script to keep him alive for the next issue) Writers can be retarded sometimes remember when Rocky beat Hulk Hogan? Bullsh*t!
And wolverine can ONLY cut the webbing. ONLY POWERHOUSES can break the strands and even they can be slowed down by the globs. If Spidey never held back he'd have WAAAAAAAY more kills than Sabertooth. He survived against Doom while holding back and Doom never holds back. He's more durable than he looks. sabertooth looks more durable than he is.