Originally posted by jinzin
I guess you haven't seen many discovery channel programs where the gazelle outruns the cheetah huh? on average yes the cheetas faster,,,,,on average an ordinary human doesn't hit spidey. But like the gazelle, it depends on the individual. Spidey got floored by cap and commented on the power of his punch.
I could care less if you find that it doesn't count cause that's the way it was written. Spidey's spidersense has been written in two polar opposites, him dodging bullets and then gettin hit by ordinary human's in the same book. I really doesn't matter if you disagree with it cause tens upon tens upon tens upon tens of marvel writters don't,,,,,one of them being stan lee.
If I said peters elasticity and agility was slight I'm sorry i didn't mean that but in terms of strength and speed spidey's doesn't hold leagues over sabes.
I really don't know why you are so dillusional, you call the one hit and it's over argument for sabretooth tired and old, but in everyone of your pathetic spiderman arguments you defend spiderman with spidersence claims bordering on him having telepathy not only that but in the same post you say one hit from spiderman and it's over.....hypocracy at it's best. Your whole argument pleads with us to acknowledge that spiderman can't be hit, despite the fact that he's been hit hundreds of times by people far slower than sabretooth. It's not stree-level characters business to be hitting spidey? maybe not in your dream land of spidey pal, but in the respective marvel universe where spiderman actually lives, it is. Spidey has been hit and hit and hit and hit and hit and hit and hit, by street-levels, it's happened over and over again, you don't agree with it?.... tough! that's the character, that's his life like it or love it.
Now you want us to concent to spidey hitting sabretooth miles into the air. How many times as this happened? like 2...maybe, compared to spidey being hit by streeters (and you have the nerve to say him getting hit is unfeasble). and spidey isn't going to just stand up to one claw swipe from sabretooth, he'll die, or be very very injured. Tolerance for pain or not, if he gets one good hit from sabes it's the beginning of the end for him.
I'm not going to get into how Cap has no buisness flooring Spidey once Spidey decided he didn't want him to.
I don't agree with street-level characters hitting Spidey becuase it is not FACT! If you can't accept that then that's tough, real tough because fact of the matter is Spidey is faster, stronger, more agilie, more endurant, in most cases smarter, more balanced, more elastic, more durable, etc. than ANY human INCLUDING PEAK humans, plain and simple! Spidey is MORE, MUCH MORE than human! There have been PLENTY of occurances where Spidey has danced around characters that greatly outclass a peak human many times over. And there have been occurances of Spidey taking punishment that many times overshadow the punishment Spidey would take from one of Cap's punches (which is, from a logical standpoint, virtually none) for hours on end. Yes, I understand the sense in writing a peak human and other characters that have no buisness hitting Spidey hitting him anyway because reading about Spidey just bouncing around him and KO'ing him to end the fight (as he can) would be boring. Seriously. And one claw swipe will not injure Spidey to the extent of how you describe, at most he'll bleed. There's a chance he'd grunt, squint, and even yelp with pain but, no, he won't be very very injured or killed. What's the sense of your admitting Spidey's tolerance for pain if you're so convinced of Sabe's being able to dispose of him with one claw swipe? You were calling my saying Spidey dodging most if not all of Sabe's attacks wishful thinking, well, what you've displayed here is outright believing what you want without looking at bold-faced fact.
I never said that Spidey was leagues above Sabe in speed, but the advantage IS more than slight, and I wouldn't say otherwise. If someone could give me an accurate strength marking for Sabe then I could mark it, but if Sabe is at a 7 ton level as I've read in a previous post then Spidey does greatly dwarf Sabe in the area for I think it's been established (through comic evidence and his recent strength upgrade) that Spidey's above the ten ton marking, he's on average a twenty tonner and is more than capable of lifting more, especially in a state of desperation or rage.
And when did I ever claim that Spidey's spidersense is borderline telepathic? That doesn't even make sense seeing that telepathy is "mind speech," and aside from this it's not liek Spidey can't react to an attack faster than Sabe could as he can sense it coming BEFORE it comes. Is this something you cannot understand? Can you not comprehend or accept it? I can. Just as I can accept Sabe's healing factor and claws. I never pleaded anyone to acknowledge anything like Spidey's not being able to be hit, that's something you read. What I'm saying is that when Spidey really uses his reflexes, then no, Wolvie nor Sabe nor any peak human should be able to tag him, but it's not like someone faster than them or Spidey couldn't. My point is that Wolvie, Sabe, and peak humans such as Cap, DD, etc. in that league are not as fast as Spidey, nor are they really close. I thought that this was common knowledge? Just as I thought the sharpness of Spidey's reflexes when coupled with the spider sense shouldn't allow guys like Sabe, Wolvie, and peak humans much less a street thug to hit Spidey once Spidey used it to it's potential or even a bit below that? Or maybe that's just me.....*thinks about it*.....nope, it's fact.