Spider-man vs. Sabertooth

Originally posted by who?-kid
So ? Let me put it this way: Rogue (class 50 or so) can not break his web. Namor (LOTS stronger than Rogue !) admitted he just couldn't break the web. There are lots of examples.

So don't tell me Sabretooth is all of a sudden stronger than let's say Namor.

Spider-Man is also lots stronger than Sabretooth, and he has never been able to break his own web.

Ok so then if Namor cannot break it then Venom should right? Or rhino, hes weaker than namor, but obviously strong enough to break it.

But i do know there are inconsistencies in comics, like juggernaut being unstoppable then not being unstoppable. Or sabretooth having a healing factor, then in one comic he doesn't have a healing factor. Or hulk's rage increasing his strength very very quickly, or him being so pissed off it goes up very slow.

And lets not go into the onslaught mishaps.

Thats one thing that makes arguing a fight so hard is you don't know what the other person pictures in his head about that character.

Spidey's best chance is to play keep away and throw stuff like barrels, cars, etc. Or, he could web him, sling him against a couple of walls, then repetitively slam him against the pavement with hopes of KOing him.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Spidey's best chance is to play keep away and throw stuff like barrels, cars, etc. Or, he could web him, sling him against a couple of walls, then repetitively slam him against the pavement with hopes of KOing him.

Ive never seen spiderman fight anyone like a chick.

Of what I have seen of spiderman he doesnt just sit back and play, "Hey I'm gona sit back here and throw crap at you cause I'm scared."

Sorry i still dont see that happening. He'll get close to sabretooth long enough for him to find out that wasn't a good idea.

But if he does pick a fight to be a censored2 and run around like a censored2 throwing censored2 at sabretooth this would be the perfect censored fight.

censored this censored spiderman vs sabretooth bull censored I cant take it anymore.

Ok if spidey gets close he loses, if he plays censored wussy then he wins. If they both stand around like censored morons then its a tie.

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Originally posted by jinzin
spidey almost died when venom slashed him with his fingertips. sabretooth doesn't need two or three shots, he only needs one. it will slow spiderman down and the fight will turn in his direction.
Spiderman ain't superman, a punch from sabes will probably faze him, but being gutted or gashed in any way. even in the comic book you tried touse as an example spiderman realized sabretooths claws were nothing to mess around with. Now they're adamantium.

And I didn't use any example with Sabe...my links only showed that the strength difference between the two is far from great.

And one slash from Sabe shouldn't slow Spidey down to the point where he'd just stand there to be gutted. He could take a stab through the arm from Sabe with his adamantium claws and keep coming...that's not to say that Spidey will allow such a shot, seeing that Spidey is Sabe's superior in just about everything except durability (Sabe's healing factor becomes this) and strength (and even then it's only a slight, slight advantage when Sabe faces an adrenaline pumped Spidey or one reeling with rage.)

What I can't understand is how everyone's saying that gettoing close to Sabe is instant death. If Spidey focused on solely on his superior reflexes and heightened them with assistance from the spider sense, then I don't see how Sabe could get in any fatal shots, I mean, do yuo actually think that Spidey won't be aware of Sabe trying to target Spidey's vulnerable spots? Spidey's tough. He can take a slash across the chest with a mere "ARGGHH!" Even if the slash came courtesy of adamantium claws. The only differences between adamantium claws and knives are that adamantium is many times stronger and that it can cut flesh quite a bit easier, so what? Spidey can stay out of range of any strikes aiming to dig into his chest. And I doubt that if Spidey went aerial, attacking Sabe from many angles in mid-leap (as he did with the Hulk), that Sabe would stand much of a chance. Sabe isn't Superman either. He can heal from attacks from Spidey at a HIGHLY accelrated rate, but that wouldn't prevent him from being fazed beforehand. I could definitely see Spidey bobbing and weaving with a couple power shots to lift Sabe off his feet, why? Becuase unlike in the case of Spidey, Sabe isn't in no way guaranteed to get off as many shots (fatal or not) as to his liking.

And what's to say that Spidey couldn't just duck under a charging Sabertooth's claws as he came and toss him (as he did during an encounter with the Thing) many miles into the air. Is this limited to to a guy of Spidey's strength (especially when mad?) I would think not.

Originally posted by manjaro
its the same as if you put a pro bodybuilder against a 14yo middle school geek, and the geek had a freaking rambo knife in each hand, and a healing factor, and unbreakable bones. no matter how strong the guy is he is gonna get at least a few gaping slashes, and would have to seek medical attention ASAP

And again, Spidey's tough, VERY tough. He can take a few slashes across the chest or in the arm and still feel well enough to get home.

sabertooth can rip threw spidermans webs with his claws, spiderman has the speed strength advantage, sabertooth has the fighting experince.
spiderman would win from a distance, since he is not an idiot. if the battle becomes a close distance one sabertooth would win.

And those two railcars that Spidey lifted in that link I posted clock out at weights of about 35 tons...much more than ten.

Not to mention Spidey's current upgrade that, when fueled with the right amount of adrenaline, could render him capable of doing SERIOUSLY damaging stuff with nothing more than his own two hands.

Originally posted by savagerampage
sabertooth can rip threw spidermans webs with his claws, spiderman has the speed strength advantage, sabertooth has the fighting experince.
spiderman would win from a distance, since he is not an idiot. if the battle becomes a close distance one sabertooth would win.

Spidey has the superior reflexes, agility, speed, elasticity, a fighting style OF HIS OWN that's gone unmatached as long as his character has been in existence, heck, I'd wager now that Spidey has superior strength (though it may be slight, with the right amount of adrenaline Spidey can pull off some pretty amazing stuff).

And what does Sabe have? Training in HTH combat (a near non-factor), an accelerated factor, and adamantium claws.

Close up, Spidey could still win. Sabe IS NOT faster than Spidey nor is he really close. Spidey could probably bounce around him all day leaving Sabe with little to do about it.

EDIT: I clicked the quote button instead of the edit one here before.

True, but sabertooth is alot older, more experinced fighter. remember spiderman was just some kid who grew up fighting in his own unique way. sabertooth trained his whole life to kill. spiderman probably would win 7/10 times. but sabertooth could easily walk in to spidermans punches enabeling him to slash him where it hurts

Originally posted by savagerampage
True, but sabertooth is alot older, more experinced fighter. remember spiderman was just some kid who grew up fighting in his own unique way. sabertooth trained his whole life to kill. spiderman probably would win 7/10 times. but sabertooth could easily walk in to spidermans punches enabeling him to slash him where it hurts

Spidey's already dealt with Sentinels DESIGNED to track and elimnate Spidey, he's dealt with other guys given their powers specifically to be Spidey's superior in pretty much every fashion, in short, he's dealt with people (among other things) fashioned with their powers for the sole purpose of defeating (and in most cases, killing) Spidey. Sabe wanting to kill Spidey is nothing that'll make him run off in a different direction.

i agree spiderman would win most of the time, but it is possible sabertooth could beat him.

Originally posted by savagerampage
i agree spiderman would win most of the time, but it is possible sabertooth could beat him.

Spiderman.

It really is funny, in weapon x#28 sabretooth fought super solders created by Mr. sinister. Now these guys powers where Flight, Super Human Strength (you see the guy punching a sentinels head off with one hand), Optic Blasts, Super Speed, AND A HEALING FACTOR. This guy was a low level superman.

But he made the mistake in getting close to sabretooth. (sabretooth bit his jugular vein, rip his insides out and then threw him off the building they were fighting on).

How fast was this guy now? Fast enough to sneak up on sabretooth.
(which is hard being his senses are far advanced from any normal person). Now either that guy didn't have a heart beat or he was just that fast, either way he got close to sabretooth and he paid for it.

Take it how you want it, but I'm sticking with my believe that if spidey gets close to sabretooth hes in trouble. If they're in the city then there's always people around that would love to be a hostage for sabretooth. So unless spidey want to be reckless in the city and risk lives by throwing cars then thats real super hero of him.

Sabretooth wont go easy, and spidey wont get out of this without a scratch.

You just compared Spiderman to a guy who made his first....and last appearance all in the same comic.

Spidey wouldn't resort to throwing heavy objects that would ultimately destroy the city and put more people's lives at risk. Not his style...

If Sabretooth has to take a hostage to gain the upper hand then there's no point in arguing this fight. That puts Spiderman at a complete disadvantage because he would risk his life to save that person and lose most, if not all, focus on Sabretooth.

If anything I see Spidey dropping one liners and witty comments on Sabretooth during the fight until Sabretooth gets so mad he makes a mistake. Even in New Avengers when Spidey was getting totally trampled by all those super-villains....he still was making calls.

If Spidey sits up on a wall and talks shit on Sabretooth....Sabretooth will lose it and try something stupid or risky.....what exactly? Idk, but it's very much how both characters are designed.

Originally posted by Linkalicious
If Spidey sits up on a wall and talks shit on Sabretooth....Sabretooth will lose it and try something stupid or risky.....what exactly? Idk, but it's very much how both characters are designed.

that didnt bother him when fighting deadpool, and deadpool is the master of talking censored2.

And wolverine not only hung with spiderman but he hung with venom as well, which is stronger and just as fast as spidey correct?

you think spiderman could take a slash to the arm and just keep coming? (scratches head) hmmmm. assuming that sabretooth doesn't even hit any nerves rendering spidey's arm completely useless, he still as a low probability of using that arm in the fight again. Spiderman could barely fight when he had a sprained arm, a slashed up one isn't going to do him any good. Spiderman may have his spider sense and he will be able to dodge some of the punches but not all of them. I mean he took a pummeling from the vulture and the vulture's an old guy. If wolverine surprised spiderman with his speed and even made spidey second guess himself as being the faster of the two, and sabretooth is faster than wolverine, i really don't know how much of a factor spidey's speed plays into this. Hie strength either, someone said he'd cave sabretooth's face in which is just retarded. Wolverine can stand up to class 60-100 punches with ease. Sabretooth may be in a 3 to 5 ton range, possibly even more, but nevertheless even if sabretooth is 3 times as strong as wolverine and has a faster healing factor with an adamantium skeleton spiderman's punches ain't doin nothin to sabes.

Spiderman's webbing isn't always unbreakable. A battle fatigued venom got covered head to toe in spidey webbing and broke completely free of it in a matter of a minute or so. I'm not implying that sabretooth can break free of the webbing himself, but the webbing isn't indestructible.

Once again, it all comes down to whether or not spidey can web sabes in such an uncomprimising way that sabes won't be able to break free. Considering that sabretooth won't just be standing there taking it I would say it could go either way, but in a straight up brawl spiderman will lose.

Aside from KOing rogue in 3 hits (I doubt spiderman could knock her out in 3 blows), crummpling an iron curling bar into an rion shotput, uppercuting logan 3 stories into the air, lifting and tossing cars, nearly killing killpower (who sports hercules level strength, superhuman speed and agility and a healing factor himself), and turning wendigo into a fur coat, other exapmles of sabretooth's strength include him pushing through a forcefeild that was strong enough to hold back a full grown raging elephant, and ripping shiva's head off with his bare hands, who's armor is supposedly second to adamantium only. Unless spiderman can properly restrain him with his webbs all this is gonna be is spiderman dodging and weaking for his life.

Originally posted by talon00x
that didnt bother him when fighting deadpool, and deadpool is the master of talking censored2.

And wolverine not only hung with spiderman but he hung with venom as well, which is stronger and just as fast as spidey correct?

If it didn't bother him when fighting Deadpool, then it almost certainly wouldn't bother him if Spidey laid into him verbally.

Venom is stronger than Spiderman, and he may very well be "faster" than Spidey, but he doesn't have the "quickness" Spiderman has, nor does he have the intellectual capacity. Spidey always beats Venom by outsmarting him.

Is the Wolverine vs. Venom encounter you are referencing from the most recent Venom series?

If that's the case, then it shouldn't count. Wolverine didn't fight "Venom" he fought the symbiote. No Brock. And that comic series was crap. Wolverine got nuked down to his skeleton and completely regenerated himself by the next page. PIS.

agreed.

however, I did enjoy the venom wolverine anime-like art. it was just after that that it got horrible.
And that venom was actually much much more powerful than venom in say the lethal protector series, it did have a host, it just didn't need it to bong with it only needed to 'feed" off it's host. I wish they had just gone with the wolvenom thing, that would have been a cool comic, I'd be reading it.