Originally posted by Phoenix2001
If nothing is true then how can you have truth? Nothing is nothing. Truth is something.
If "nothing is true" then Truth is Nothing. Nothing is the "something" Truth is. balloon
Returning to topic, sort of...
Truth for an atheist: No God.
Truth for an agnostic: Uncertainty?
Originally posted by Phoenix2001
Personally, I don't think anyone can. The more that we as humans prove to be true that we once thought to be untrue only raises more questions that may not be answered.Perhaps saying that we're living the truth is too much certainty on my part.
Good.
There is a real world, but sense we are limited in how we can perceive it, our understanding will always be limited. 😎
Originally posted by The Omega
Technically we don't know that. 🙂
How would you prove that there IS a real world?
It is a realization that each person has to come to. There is no way to prove this, but proof is not all that important. The only thing that the realization, that there is a real world, benefits us humans, is it helps in understanding what is real and what is not. It is easy to be fooled and deluded; so if you remember that no one knows what the true reality is, then you will not be easily fooled. However, you can go too far with this idea and become diluted into thinking that nothing exists.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
It is a realization that each person has to come to. There is no way to prove this, but proof is not all that important. The only thing that the realization, that there is a real world, benefits us humans, is it helps in understanding what is real and what is not. It is easy to be fooled and deluded; so if you remember that no one knows what the true reality is, then you will not be easily fooled. However, you can go too far with this idea and become diluted into thinking that nothing exists.
It’s a philosophical mind-game. I just think it’s important to once in a while realise, that there is NO way of proving that the world is real. It could be an aliens dream for all I know.
True, yes, what I experience seems to be coherent, I experience cause and effect in the correct order… But maybe I just came into existence a second ago with a planted memory??
Science – as it is – relies on the ONE assumption that the world IS real and understandable. That’s what the Ancient Greeks concluded when they stopped using supernatural explanations and instead decided to see if they could understand and explain the world.
Bardock> You COULD be and the rest of us an illusion! 😄
Originally posted by The Omega
It’s a philosophical mind-game. I just think it’s important to once in a while realise, that there is NO way of proving that the world is real. It could be an aliens dream for all I know.True, yes, what I experience seems to be coherent, I experience cause and effect in the correct order… But maybe I just came into existence a second ago with a planted memory??
Science – as it is – relies on the ONE assumption that the world IS real and understandable. That’s what the Ancient Greeks concluded when they stopped using supernatural explanations and instead decided to see if they could understand and explain the world.Bardock> You COULD be and the rest of us an illusion! 😄
Yeah, or I could be the illusion and the rest of you real, but at least at the moment, be it an illusion or not I think (obviously not if I am the illusin...well, except if we accept Descartes) that I am not the only one afterall.
Originally posted by The Omega
It’s a philosophical mind-game. I just think it’s important to once in a while realise, that there is NO way of proving that the world is real. It could be an aliens dream for all I know.True, yes, what I experience seems to be coherent, I experience cause and effect in the correct order… But maybe I just came into existence a second ago with a planted memory??
Science – as it is – relies on the ONE assumption that the world IS real and understandable. That’s what the Ancient Greeks concluded when they stopped using supernatural explanations and instead decided to see if they could understand and explain the world.Bardock> You COULD be and the rest of us an illusion! 😄
I cannot prove it, but I believe that there is a real world that none of us will ever fully understand.
For those who ask "If this is reality?"
If I (i.e. me, and external being from your reality) kick you in the face would you say I do not exist? Or would you say the kick doesn't exist? If you say the kick doesn't exist....then I keep kicking you on the face as much as I want and always say...."I never kick you"
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
For those who ask "If this is reality?"If I (i.e. me, and external being from your reality) kick you in the face would you say I do not exist? Or would you say the kick doesn't exist? If you say the kick doesn't exist....then I keep kicking you on the face as much as I want and always say...."I never kick you"
I say if someone shoots you in the head, you will die. That is proof of a real world, but I don't know what that real world is.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
For those who ask "If this is reality?"If I (i.e. me, and external being from your reality) kick you in the face would you say I do not exist? Or would you say the kick doesn't exist? If you say the kick doesn't exist....then I keep kicking you on the face as much as I want and always say...."I never kick you"
That's not prove at all. The Kick might not exist. You might not exist. I might not exist. But for me it seems like i would be hurt by those kicks, and I seem to think that I don't like to be hurt.
Originally posted by ShakyamunisonSadly it isn't.
I say if someone shoots you in the head, you will die. That is proof of a real world, but I don't know what that real world is.
Originally posted by Bardock42
That's not prove at all. The Kick might not exist. You might not exist. I might not exist. But for me it seems like i would be hurt by those kicks, and I seem to think that I don't like to be hurt.
Sadly it isn't.
Trust me I do exist. Also you exist. And the world also exist. Step outside and look at it. Why do you just said "I might not exist?" when if fact you do exist. I'm talking to you from Los Angeles. You're in Germany. Hello bardock! This is WD talking to you!
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarfMe too, I exist.....unless you think you may have a psychological disease...then you're stuck with me... 😎
Trust me I do exist. Also you exist. And the world also exist. Step outside and look at it. Why do you just said "I might not exist?" when if fact you do exist. I'm talking to you from Los Angeles. You're in Germany. Hello bardock! This is WD talking to you!
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Trust me I do exist. Also you exist. And the world also exist. Step outside and look at it. Why do you just said "I might not exist?" when if fact you do exist. I'm talking to you from Los Angeles. You're in Germany. Hello bardock! This is WD talking to you!
I don't think your word will be sufficent. Also my experience won't. There will always be a slight shadow of doubt. I believe that you exist. I really do. But I can't be sure.