Agnostic and Atheist? · Religion Forum

debbiejo Dreamer

Originally posted by Bardock42
I don't think your word will be sufficent. Also my experience won't. There will always be a slight shadow of doubt. I believe that you exist. I really do. But I can't be sure.

What about me??? 😕

If you can't trust your 5 senses to know what is real and what is not, then what can you trust???

Bardock42 Junior Member

Originally posted by debbiejo
What about me??? 😕
If you can't trust your 5 senses to know what is real and what is not, then what can you trust???

YOu might exist as well.

Nothing, that's the whole point.

debbiejo Dreamer

Originally posted by Bardock42
YOu might exist as well.
Nothing, that's the whole point.

Well that is what our senses are for to feel the realness of reality.

Bardock42 Junior Member

Originally posted by debbiejo
Well that is what our senses are for to feel the realness of reality.

If they exist.

debbiejo Dreamer

Originally posted by Bardock42
If they exist.

OHhh noooo.....only you would think of that..LOL...But they do exist....I'm feeling my keyboard with my fingers right now and I hear the keys clicking......And I'm listening to myself talk to myself also.........It must be real....

Bardock42 Junior Member

Originally posted by debbiejo
OHhh noooo.....only you would think of that..LOL...But they do exist....I'm feeling my keyboard with my fingers right now and I hear the keys clicking......And I'm listening to myself talk to myself also.........It must be real....

Why? Why msut it be real?

And even if your senses are real, why do you assume you can trust them?

debbiejo Dreamer

Originally posted by Bardock42
Why? Why msut it be real?
And even if your senses are real, why do you assume you can trust them?

Because to deny it a person would lose touch with reality.........Though I do see what you're saying, I could just be in you're dream, or you in mine......People do live that way....It's schizophrenia........and who's to say they're wrong and we're right...........Hmmm, maybe that's where the majority comes in...

Bardock42 Junior Member

Originally posted by debbiejo
Because to deny it a person would lose touch with reality.........Though I do see what you're saying, I could just be in you're dream, or you in mine......People do live that way....It's schizophrenia........and who's to say they're wrong and we're right...........Hmmm, maybe that's where the majority comes in...

No you see, you hit the nail on the head ther. We can't be sure. That's all. Don't centre your life around it. But realize it.

Shakyamunison Nam Myoho Renge Kyo

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
But your EXPERIENCE tells you that by shooting someone they will die. Why would you deny your own experiences? Thanks to your experiences you are what you're now.

I don't understand, I don't deny my own experiences.

Bardock42 Junior Member

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I don't understand, I don't deny my own experiences.

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I think he was talking to you about me denying my own experience.

Mindship Snap out of it.

Obviously, we are aware of something, whether it is a private or consensual hallucination, a Big Newtonian Machine or God's Dream. Real, illusion; hell, let's make up a whole new word for it. We'd still be in the same boat. Before there were any words, there was this, and plumbing the depths of language only highlights how beyond language this is.

Shakyamunison Nam Myoho Renge Kyo

Originally posted by Mindship
Obviously, we are aware of something, whether it is a private or consensual hallucination, a Big Newtonian Machine or God's Dream. Real, illusion; hell, let's make up a whole new word for it. We'd still be in the same boat. Before there were any words, there was this, and plumbing the depths of language only highlights how beyond language this is.

"There you man, keep as cool as you can, face pile of trials with smiles. For it rials them to believe that you perceive the wed that they weave."

Janus Marius Plo Koon Rulez!

Originally posted by Mindship
Obviously, we are aware of something, whether it is a private or consensual hallucination, a Big Newtonian Machine or God's Dream. Real, illusion; hell, let's make up a whole new word for it. We'd still be in the same boat. Before there were any words, there was this, and plumbing the depths of language only highlights how beyond language this is.

I elect we call it "Blok".

Mindship Snap out of it.

Originally posted by Janus Marius
I elect we call it "Blok".

I was gonna go with nagual. 😉

"There you man, keep as cool as you can, face pile of trials with smiles. For it rials them to believe that you perceive the wed that they weave."

*got me foot tappin' to that one* 💃

Shakyamunison Nam Myoho Renge Kyo

Originally posted by Mindship
I was gonna go with nagual. 😉
*got me foot tappin' to that one* 💃

I figured you know The Moody Blues. BTW they are still going strong. I saw then last year.

debbiejo Dreamer

Originally posted by Mindship
Obviously, we are aware of something, whether it is a private or consensual hallucination, a Big Newtonian Machine or God's Dream. Real, illusion; hell, let's make up a whole new word for it. We'd still be in the same boat. Before there were any words, there was this, and plumbing the depths of language only highlights how beyond language this is.

I suppose if we are all hallucinating together and seeing the same things, then were ok..... 😎

Mindship Snap out of it.

I figured you know The Moody Blues. BTW they are still going strong. I saw then last year.

You figured correctly, sir. One of the great harmonizing/poetic ensembles.
But how come no one is recognizing nagual? "Darn, darn, darn" (let's see if anyone gets That one).

I suppose if we are all hallucinating together and seeing the same things, then were ok.....

H'mmm...sounds like something Agent Smith might want us to believe (interesting you should pick the smilie with sunglasses...)

Shakyamunison Nam Myoho Renge Kyo

Originally posted by Mindship
...But how come no one is recognizing nagual? "Darn, darn, darn" (let's see if anyone gets That one)...

Sorry, you got me on this one.

Mindship Snap out of it.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Sorry, you got me on this one.

Nagual was the term Don Juan used, in the Carlos Castenada books, to refer to the Ineffable. "Tales of Power" was an especially fascinating read (however true/fictional the encounters may've been).

And "Darn, darn, darn!" Herman Munster.

debbiejo Dreamer

I've heard of Carlos Castenada books, but havent read them myself....