Are the Sith really Evil? Honestly

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Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Wish I'd read that. But yeah, sure.
I've got it, I really enjoyed it. Rereading it as we type.

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Darkside users like Brakiss and Lomi Plo have no 'code' to follow. They simply use the darkside. Sith seek absolute control and the destruction of the Jedi Order. Dooku was a Sith yes, but IMO not truly a Sith Lord. He was a mere pawn in Sidious's way to turn Anakin.

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No he was a Sith Lord--in name anyway. When you join the Order of the Sith Lords you become a Dark Lord.

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Dooku was a Sith Lord. You can't be kind of a Sith Lord. 😐

As far as the films are concerned, Imperials are bad guys. People who worked for the Empire but were unaware that the Empire was evil... are probably kind of dumb...

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Originally posted by REXXXX
Dooku was a Sith Lord. You can't be kind of a Sith Lord. 😐

As far as the films are concerned, Imperials are bad guys. People who worked for the Empire but were unaware that the Empire was evil... are probably kind of dumb...

That or they knew the Empire was evil and just thought, "all I'm trying to do is get by, I don't care who runs the galaxy as long as I get my delivery!"

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Which really doesn't make them good people, from the absolutist point of view, no?

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Originally posted by REXXXX
Which really doesn't make them good people, from the absolutist point of view, no?
True, if your into that sorta thing. Then one ordinary man cannot choose how his government or rulers act.

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I'm just a simple man trying to make my way in the Universe.

People who were apart of the military, bureaucracy, and general populace supported the Empire. I just don't buy in to the sentiment that billions upon billions---trillions of people were inherently evil.

truejedi Senior Member

everyone in the empire wasn't a sith Lucien. Sidious and Vader were evil. The others, define as you will.

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Originally posted by truejedi
everyone in the empire wasn't a sith Lucien. Sidious and Vader were evil. The others, define as you will.
Shazbot?... I didn't say they were Sith, I'm saying that I don't believe that everyone who supported the Empire was evil, which is the argument of the moral absolutist. I.e. if you support and an evil regime but don't know/see it as evil, then you yourself must be evil because your ignorance is not an excuse. I hate that line of thinking, loathe it.

truejedi Senior Member

ah, i see, i thought you were addressing the thread title topic.

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Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Shazbot?... I didn't say they were Sith, I'm saying that I don't believe that everyone who supported the Empire was evil, which is the argument of the moral absolutist. I.e. if you support and an evil regime but don't know/see it as evil, then you yourself must be evil because your ignorance is not an excuse. I hate that line of thinking, loathe it.

Ethical absolutism is rather inane, although it could be argued that true ignorance could excuse someone from being labeled as evil. Of course the absolutist could counter that it is a moral duty to not be ignorant.

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Stupid absolutists. They're Sith, no one should listen to them.

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Exactly!

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I think the idea is more that the people who actively serve in the Empire (i.e. Palpatine's war machine) are more at fault than the people who just live in the Empire. I feel like the films imply that they are all trying to get back to democracy.

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Then Starkiller/Galen Marek is a Sith Lord! Asajj Ventress too. They were Sith Lord's in name only. No. Dooku was a pawn in Sidious's game to turn Anakin.

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Originally posted by Darth Truculent
Then Starkiller/Galen Marek is a Sith Lord! Asajj Ventress too. They were Sith Lord's in name only.
No, they were never christened as Dark Lords nor given the "Darth" honorific.

Originally posted by Darth Truculent
No. Dooku was a pawn in Sidious's game to turn Anakin.
Really and for true?

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Lucien - then why did Sidious have Dooku killed? Anakin was already pissed as it was for Dooku taking his arm. "It is only natural, he cut off your arm and you wanted revenge." That's according to the movie. In the book it says something like "betrayal is the way of the Sith" - Dooku thought that a few seconds before he was executed. Sidious used Dooku after Anakin was recognized as being extremely strong in the Force. He wanted Anakin.

What I wrote about Marek & Ventress was a shot of sarcasm. Sorry if I failed miserbly.

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Originally posted by Darth Truculent
Lucien - then why did Sidious have Dooku killed? Anakin was already pissed as it was for Dooku taking his arm. "It is only natural, he cut off your arm and you wanted revenge." That's according to the movie. In the book it says something like "betrayal is the way of the Sith" - Dooku thought that a few seconds before he was executed. Sidious used Dooku after Anakin was recognized as being extremely strong in the Force. He wanted Anakin.
I am legitimately befuddled at what you're getting at here.

Originally posted by Darth Truculent
What I wrote about Marek & Ventress was a shot of sarcasm. Sorry if I failed miserbly.
Ah.

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Sidious needed someone powerful and charismatic like Count Dooku to get his plans into motion during the years leading up to the Clone Wars.

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Oh come on Rex, it's clear everyone understood what Maul meant. He could of been just as good. Afterall everyone knew...

Spoiler:
Maul meant business