Originally posted by lord xyzI believe so.....at least to some part.......cause you have to love yourself........and if you are doing things just too prove something to another, then you are not loving yourself.............and to me that is the greatest sin.....not being true to ones own self.......
being evil is the abscence of love, is it not?
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
All things can be viewed as good or evil. With out humans around there would be no such thing as evil or good. Therefore, we can up with evil and we create evil.
I don't think we create it. I honestly think that good and evil DO exist regardless of our intepretations.
I beleive that the basis of all evil are these two components:
Hate and Sadism....I think this springs everything else...evil in my opinion is Purely the desire to hurt another person. That simple.
Here are some quotes relevant to this topic 😉
Not sure where this came from: The Sixth Patriarch while talking to the elder Wei Ming said: "Perhaps you should concentrate your thoughts for a moment and avoid thinking in terms of good and evil."
Shakespeare: "There is nothing either good or bad but thinking makes it so."
Allan Bullock: ... evil is a form of incompetence.
Adolf Hitler: Success is the sole earthly judge of right and wrong.
So hitler was evil because he did not succeed 😉
IMO, what may be seen as evil may be relative, but the motivation behind evil is likely universal.
In a nutshell: Evil is ultimate selfishness, choices made against the backdrop of Death Terror which exists in the pit of every psyche. What you feel you want others to feel, with glee. It is not revenge (though revenge may be part of it); it is extreme overcompensation for perceived disempowerment.
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Id like to pop that balloon 😆
I STRONGLY disagree. Any emotion can hadlyt be lumped to one singular cause.
Imo Hitler was pretty evil, but he came to power bacause he did a lot of great things for Germany. He certainly did not percieve himself as disempowered. Evil is so relative anyway, I find its sources to be relative as well.
Originally posted by Alliance
Id like to pop that balloon 😆I STRONGLY disagree. Any emotion can hadlyt be lumped to one singular cause.
Imo Hitler was pretty evil, but he came to power bacause he did a lot of great things for Germany. He certainly did not percieve himself as disempowered. Evil is so relative anyway, I find its sources to be relative as well.
Death Terror is the fundamental emotion that drives every living thing to do what it does: every action, every breath, every thought. I would even suggest that your strong disagreement is but one more defense mechanism toward empowerment against it, one of several DMs we all have, which, fortunately, are in place to protect us. Much of this takes place in the deepest recesses of our unconscious, and the motivations which bubble up into our consciousness are but the filtered-down versions of DT.
Yes, I realize that many, more biologically-oriented individuals scoff at this. Unfortunately, IMO, that is a by-product of their strictly empirical orientation. 😉
Regarding Hitler: you don't know how he perceived himself, you were not there in his head. And yes, evil people can accomplish great things along the way to their greater goal. Hitler accrued tremendous, godlike power over the lives of so many others. In fact, one of the easiest means of overcoming one's sense of mortality (however consciously/unconsciously perceived) is to dish out death and destruction to others, which Adolf did in spades.
Originally posted by MindshipNo more than you're rebuttal then iyo.
Death Terror is the fundamental emotion that drives every living thing to do what it does: every action, every breath, every thought. I would even suggest that your strong disagreement is but one more defense mechanism toward empowerment against it, one of several DMs we all have, which, fortunately, are in place to protect us.
Originally posted by Mindship
Much of this takes place in the deepest recesses of our unconscious, and the motivations which bubble up into our consciousness are but the filtered-down versions of DT.
Originally posted by MindshipI don't know...there is something about fact that is well...so much more concrete/defendable😛
Yes, I realize that many, more biologically-oriented individuals scoff at this. Unfortunately, IMO, that is a by-product of their strictly empirical orientation. 😉
Originally posted by Mindship
Regarding Hitler: you don't know how he perceived himself, you were not there in his head. And yes, evil people can accomplish great things along the way to their greater goal. Hitler accrued tremendous, godlike power over the lives of so many others. In fact, one of the easiest means of overcoming one's sense of mortality (however consciously/unconsciously perceived) is to dish out death and destruction to others, which Adolf did in spades.
Originally posted by Mindship
IMO, what may be seen as evil may be relative, but the motivation behind evil is likely universal.In a nutshell: Evil is ultimate selfishness, choices made against the backdrop of Death Terror which exists in the pit of every psyche. What you feel you want others to feel, with glee. It is not revenge (though revenge may be part of it); it is extreme overcompensation for perceived disempowerment.
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I've always contended that helping others is the most selfish thing you can do. Because in the world of Bodhisattva we realize that our happiness is incomplete without the happiness of others.
http://www.sgi-usa.org/buddhism/faqs/tenworlds.htm
“Bodhisattva -- Bodhisattvas are those who aspire to achieve enlightenment and at the same time are equally determined to enable all other beings to do the same. Conscious of the bonds that link us to all others, in this state we realize that any happiness we alone enjoy is incomplete, and we devote ourselves to alleviating others’ suffering. Those in this state find their greatest satisfaction in altruistic behavior.”
So it is interesting that the greatest evil and greatest good come from the same source, selfishness. What do you think?