M.Bison versus Magneto

Some Magneto clone beat her again more recently in a Grant Morrison issue that most people say is one of the best arcs in the last 10 years. Wanna call that crap writing too?

So now you're saying that Ryu could beat Magneto???

No comic is completely logical in many issues. Creative teams change, and each creative team has their own view of the characters and they write according to that view. Sometimes their views contradict each other. That's the nature of an ongoing series of any kind - from Soap Operas to anime to the Fantastic Four to X-men. Dr. Doom stole Galactus' power, yet he lost to Squirrel Girl. I don't see your point in mentioning continuum.

As for the Magneto vs. Phoenix fight - it's not a matter of who is more powerful. Magneto didn't win because he's more powerful. He won because he's smarter and more resourceful. He drew upon all the EM energy of the entire planet and took it to her, causing her to shut down and suck the life right out of her. That's pure skill. You have to look past trading card power levels and look at the character himself - Magneto is as deadly as he is because he's good at using what he has, not because he can overwhelm you with his might.

Magneto beat Phoenix...twice. Phoenix is more powerful than Bison. Ergo, Magneto beats Bison. Not that hard.

Originally posted by demigawd
Some Magneto clone beat her again more recently in a Grant Morrison issue that most people say is one of the best arcs in the last 10 years. Wanna call that crap writing too?

So now you're saying that Ryu could beat Magneto???

No comic is completely logical in many issues. Creative teams change, and each creative team has their own view of the characters and they write according to that view. Sometimes their views contradict each other. That's the nature of an ongoing series of any kind - from Soap Operas to anime to the Fantastic Four to X-men. Dr. Doom stole Galactus' power, yet he lost to Squirrel Girl. I don't see your point in mentioning continuum.

As for the Magneto vs. Phoenix fight - it's not a matter of who is more powerful. Magneto didn't win because he's more powerful. He won because he's smarter and more resourceful. He drew upon all the EM energy of the entire planet and took it to her, causing her to shut down and suck the life right out of her. That's pure skill. You have to look past trading card power levels and look at the character himself - Magneto is as deadly as he is because he's good at using what he has, not because he can overwhelm you with his might.

Magneto beat Phoenix...twice. Phoenix is more powerful than Bison. Ergo, Magneto beats Bison. Not that hard.

Bad writing, sometiems my heart just breaks because of such writnig, Magneto having the power to shut Phoenix, &ucking stupid and illogical. Phoenix is just way to powerful for Magneto, I jsut can't believe it sometitmes. Abot Ryu, he could, he achived enormous power that could easily go thorug Magento shields. I think Ryu has greater energy (or Magneto would shut him down, yeah right in his dreams). The only way it would be if somehow he would get him , that Magneto would surround him with metal, otherwise no.

You've completely missed the point. If everything were neatly broken down into "whoever is more powerful wins", then there's be no point in having a comic battle thread, would there? Is Phoenix more powerful than Magneto? Yes...but what does that mean if she's not as smart or as skilled? Nothing. That's why she lost...not bad writing, not illogical continuum, nothing but a sheer difference in skill.

My point exactly.
Knowing the origin of the Phoenix when it was told by the Shi'ar clearly made this being out to be a cosmic entity who's powers are virtually limitless. Now you agree with a story that shows Magneto besting such a being as legitimate????
C'mon demigawd, c'mon man be real with yourself.
Magneto is formidable but to make him able to beat Phoenix is ridiculous and that further backs up my claim that Xmen continum is based mostly on popularity. It's doesn't matter if an official poll was never held in Wizard or in Marvel but the writers know what the fans want to read and that's that. Many times I have read Xmen issues that contradict former stories or claims of a character. The continuum is not factual, and doesn't always stay true to the story or character when it comes to the Xmen. The reason why they are so popular because the characters are interesting and the story revolving around the whole mutant debate is interesting.
You cannot sincerly believe a story arc that depicts Magneto defeating Phoenix!!!!!!!!!!! That is an absolute joke and an insult to fans everywhere.

Greater energy??? This isn't Marvel vs. Capcom - Ryu is absolutely nothing compared to Magneto, hahahaha. Now I've heard it all! Is Ryu going to spin kick through a blackhole? Is he going to dragon punch his blood being controlled? Is he going to fireball through mind control? Ridiculous! hahahahahaha.

Originally posted by LordFear
My point exactly.
Knowing the origin of the Phoenix when it was told by the Shi'ar clearly made this being out to be a cosmic entity who's powers are virtually limitless. Now you agree with a story that shows Magneto besting such a being as legitimate????
C'mon demigawd, c'mon man be real with yourself.
Magneto is formidable but to make him able to beat Phoenix is ridiculous and that further backs up my claim that Xmen continum is based mostly on popularity. It's doesn't matter if an official poll was never held in Wizard or in Marvel but the writers know what the fans want to read and that's that. Many times I have read Xmen issues that contradict former stories or claims of a character. The continuum is not factual, and doesn't always stay true to the story or character when it comes to the Xmen. The reason why they are so popular because the characters are interesting and the story revolving around the whole mutant debate is interesting.
You cannot sincerly believe a story arc that depicts Magneto defeating Phoenix!!!!!!!!!!! That is an absolute joke and an insult to fans everywhere.

That storyline had nothing to do with popularity - at the time that story came out, there was relatively low readership for the X-men. You have to remember, this was back in the 70s when this story took place. No variant covers, no Wizard, no message board. The creative had no idea who was more popular than who - they just wrote the story. It was all purposefully done, because it was by the same creative team in the same period of time.

There was a point to that battle - Phoenix was introduced as having limtless potential, but within the limits of a human host who was just learning her powers. Magneto had less power but achieved mastery over it. It was a classic power vs. control battle....and control won. I found it to be plausably done, and very realistic.

The problem with people on this board is that they don't understand the importance of skill and control. They neatly assign numbers to people based on power level, and whoever has a higher power number should win. It's not that simple. Not in the real world and not in comics. Get that straight.

Back on topic - Magneto stomps the entire SF universe at the same time by opening up a black hole and sucking them all in.

Originally posted by LordFear
My point exactly.
Knowing the origin of the Phoenix when it was told by the Shi'ar clearly made this being out to be a cosmic entity who's powers are virtually limitless. Now you agree with a story that shows Magneto besting such a being as legitimate????
C'mon demigawd, c'mon man be real with yourself.
Magneto is formidable but to make him able to beat Phoenix is ridiculous and that further backs up my claim that Xmen continum is based mostly on popularity. It's doesn't matter if an official poll was never held in Wizard or in Marvel but the writers know what the fans want to read and that's that. Many times I have read Xmen issues that contradict former stories or claims of a character. The continuum is not factual, and doesn't always stay true to the story or character when it comes to the Xmen. The reason why they are so popular because the characters are interesting and the story revolving around the whole mutant debate is interesting.
You cannot sincerly believe a story arc that depicts Magneto defeating Phoenix!!!!!!!!!!! That is an absolute joke and an insult to fans everywhere.

100% right, 100%. Excatly what the fans want. And demigwod, if your powers suprasees you opponent for billion times, you can be stupid as you want. Ryu has great energy, Magneto is going down, Magento wouldn't be abe to hold Ryu enormous energy blast, he could easily go through Magneto shields, you are comparing Bison vs Magneto, and than saying Ryu is nothing to Magneto, while Ryu surpasses Bison. Magneto si going down.

There is absolutely nothing that Magneto can bring to the table in terms of skill that can beat an opponent that can decimate galaxies and consume suns for their pleasure.
REALLY man!!!!!
What kind of shit are you believing here????
So as long as a decent scenario is played out for you, you accept any kind of nonsense???
Just like Batman versus Hulk right???
That outcome was good writing because of Bat's skill to make Hulk swallow a sleeping pill????
Don't you find that as a scenario really really reaching and practically a desperate attempt at explaining something that is improbable???

Originally posted by LordFear
There is absolutely nothing that Magneto can bring to the table in terms of skill that can beat an opponent that can decimate galaxies and consume suns for their pleasure.
REALLY man!!!!!
What kind of shit are you believing here????
So as long as a decent scenario is played out for you, you accept any kind of nonsense???
Just like Batman versus Hulk right???
That outcome was good writing because of Bat's skill to make Hulk swallow a sleeping pill????
Don't you find that as a scenario really really reaching and practically a desperate attempt at explaining something that is improbable???

I remember in other forum where was Batman vs Hulk. I say Hulk easily and that is not even a match. Than such peopel as deimwgod came and say Batman undoubtely win, I was pissed, what are they thinking. And I was all alone there, there was only Batman fasn agaisnt me. And say that is logicall, Magneto beating Phoenix, or Batman beating Hulk.

Originally posted by Xplosive
100% right, 100%. Excatly what the fans want. And demigwod, if your powers suprasees you opponent for billion times, you can be stupid as you want. Ryu has great energy, Magneto is going down, Magento wouldn't be abe to hold Ryu enormous energy blast, he could easily go through Magneto shields, you are comparing Bison vs Magneto, and than saying Ryu is nothing to Magneto, while Ryu surpasses Bison. Magneto si going down.

Magneto's shields held up against a shot from Galactus, multiple shots from Thor, and the blast of several nuclear weapons. You're telling me Ryu has greater energy than that? Please...tell me...what on earth is that assessment based on? Give me one, just one example of anything Ryu or anybody in the SF universe has done that would exceed the power output of a nuclear weapon. If you give me just one example, I'll graciously concede my point and acknowledge Ryu as Magneto's master.

Just one!

Originally posted by LordFear
There is absolutely nothing that Magneto can bring to the table in terms of skill that can beat an opponent that can decimate galaxies and consume suns for their pleasure.
REALLY man!!!!!
What kind of shit are you believing here????
So as long as a decent scenario is played out for you, you accept any kind of nonsense???
Just like Batman versus Hulk right???
That outcome was good writing because of Bat's skill to make Hulk swallow a sleeping pill????
Don't you find that as a scenario really really reaching and practically a desperate attempt at explaining something that is improbable???

There's a big difference between Magneto vs. Phoenix and Batman vs. Hulk. Batman is completely incapable of hurting Hulk at all, even of Hulk is asleep. Phoenix is in the body of a human, a human who can be hurt or killed just like anybody else. Phoenix has to rely on her powers to prevent that from happening. If she is unable to do so, just like any other human, she loses. Think about it - the power to consume stars and planets, the ability to wreck two heralds of Galactus and fight against Galactus himself. How did Dark Phoenix die? Laser gun.

Think about that. Let it marinate for a minute and you'll have an idea of what that means and what the creative team was trying to say with that whole story. Then maybe you'll understand how "lowly Magneto" could beat "mighty Phoenix"

Demigawd, let me ask you a final question, based on your control versus
absolute power theory?

You agree that we as a nation the good ol' USA are the number one superpower on this planet, surpassing even the Roman empire at it's peak????Right?

Now based on your theory, this would not be so because there are numerous much smaller, less economically stable and resourceful countries with less of a military force who have power of their own and complete mastery over it YET cannot surpass the supremecy of this great Nation.
Shouldn't these countries who are less powerful but have power and control over their people and dictate the masses at their whim, they could by your statement above defeat the US who gives their people a right to decide and to choose???

Comparing international politics and this fight is completely mismatched. Not even close. It's far more complicated.

In Xplosive's defense, I must say that Ryu has tremendous energy.
During his training with Dhalsim, Dhalsim advised him that if he was able to withstand the training given and master it as well as his mind, the potential of tapping into this "chi force" is virtually limitless. This is energy that is similar to ambient energy, all around you, it is so powerful that this is why if not properly mastered you turn into Akuma or dark Ryu. Could Ryo defeat Mags, I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss it!!

Bad analogy, at the the way you described it. The US has both better power AND better control than anybody else. That's why they win.

But since you want to play the military analogy game, I'll do you one better...

US vs. Vietnam. The US has superior power in every possible way. Why did they lose? Because the Viet forces had better control over the battlefield. They knew the terrain better, they had better organization, they were more committed to the cause. They knew when to hit, when to run, when to hide. That superior control and skill on the battlefield is why they won....

despite the US's superior firepower.

So thanks for proving my point for me.

Originally posted by LordFear
In Xplosive's defense, I must say that Ryu has tremendous energy.
During his training with Dhalsim, Dhalsim advised him that if he was able to withstand the training given and master it as well as his mind, the potential of tapping into this "chi force" is virtually limitless. This is energy that is similar to ambient energy, all around you, it is so powerful that this is why if not properly mastered you turn into Akuma or dark Ryu. Could Ryo defeat Mags, I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss it!!

Bah. Marvel describes Magneto's power as limtless too. Everything is limtless in comics. Show me feats! FEATS!

Originally posted by demigawd
Magneto's shields held up against a shot from Galactus, multiple shots from Thor, and the blast of several nuclear weapons. You're telling me Ryu has greater energy than that? Please...tell me...what on earth is that assessment based on? Give me one, just one example of anything Ryu or anybody in the SF universe has done that would exceed the power output of a nuclear weapon. If you give me just one example, I'll graciously concede my point and acknowledge Ryu as Magneto's master.

Ryu blast easily surpasses Thor shots, easily. Galactus shot at Magneto with relax, nothing. Ryu blast would easily go through Magneto shield.

Lord Fear that comparison is ilogical, and irrelevent to this topic and we our all dumber now because of it... you are awarded no points and may God have mercy on your soul!

Originally posted by Xplosive
Ryu blast easily surpasses Thor shots, easily. Galactus shot at Magneto with relax, nothing. Ryu blast would easily go through Magneto shield.

hysterical

nimbus my argument holds weight.
Perhaps your intellect will not allow you think outside the box and ponder thoughts greater then "What am I gonna eat for dinner?"
On behalf of all members in this forum don't generalize or attempt to relate your limited brainpower with the rest of the members here.

BTW Just to make it easier for people who might be "lacking" in the brains department, let me simplify the analogy for you,
Can an ant beat a lion?????
Answer is no whatever scenario or "skill" the ant may have.
Is that better for you Nimbus?

Originally posted by Xplosive
Ryu blast easily surpasses Thor shots, easily. Galactus shot at Magneto with relax, nothing. Ryu blast would easily go through Magneto shield.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Don't just SAY his shots easily surpass Thor's. PROVE IT. What's he done? What are his feats? Name something that makes you think he could surpass Galactus and Thor. C'mon...just name something for me. Throw me a bone.

Originally posted by LordFear
nimbus my argument holds weight.
Perhaps your intellect will not allow you think outside the box and ponder thoughts greater then "What am I gonna eat for dinner?"
On behalf of all members in this forum don't generalize or attempt to relate your limited brainpower with the rest of the members here.

BTW Just to make it easier for people who might be "lacking" in the brains department, let me simplify the analogy for you,
Can an ant beat a lion?????
Answer is no whatever scenario or "skill" the ant may have.
Is that better for you Nimbus?

It's a bad analogy, but I cleaned it up for you. Unfortunately, it didn't work in your favor.