Controlling your body on a molecular level helps you a bunch.
I am not just talking about making your body as hard as steel. I am talking about being so much in tune with your body that you can adjust or influence reactions occuring in your body. Bison has this abilitiy because it was explained in one of the movies when Chung Li planned on poisoning him by putting something in his drink but then Bison after sipping the drink, explained to Chung Li that she should have done her homework on him because poison is among the things that doesn't affect him. Through years of self conditoinning and mastering his abilities.
This explains his control over his metabolism and molecular change within his body.
Bison can't make you off yourself unless you're very very weak minded. Magneto isn't weak minded, nor has he undergone any of bison's mental conditioning, nor is he wearing any of bison's mind control devices, he's not offing himself at Bison's commond that's ludicrous. If Bison could do that, he would have used it on ryu when ryu was kicking his ass. You say that Bison can take out mags based on him running a crime syndicate? WTF? I guess I'm to assume that cobra commander is a challenge to magneto based on the fact that he has a semi global army then right? pffft I think not.
Bison's not a punk, I don't think anyone was trying to imply that, but he's just not at the same level of desctructive force that magneto has at his disposal. Bison's tough, in his respective world he's a demigod, but he lives in a world of street fighters. Magneto has to fight cosmics, to onmipotents, to entire fleets, to whoever else, the point is magneto lives in a world where their god's aren't even all that high on the food chain, Bison's a joke compared to mags. I'm not saying that Bison's a punk either, it's true he's very powerful, but Magneto is one of the most dangerous villains in the world, and this is world filled with doctor dooms, hulks, thundergods, and the list goes on and on and on. get my drift?
lol, the dredd pirate roberts from the princess bride is able to drink poisons too, should I assume him capible of controlling (lol) his body (lol) at a molecular level (HAHAHAHAHAHHA) too, much less bating magneto? please, when did Bison ever claim to be able to do such a thing, he's not a freaking shape shifter. HAhAHa
The point of the syndicate is to demonstrate that you are not fighting some street thug or some idiot.
Nothing more.
Now as for Mags fighting omnipotent and all powerful beings, if that was the case then Mags would of had his ways with the world a long time ago buddy!!!!
By reading your description of Mags, someone would think "Well damn this dude is GOD and therefore everyone else pales in comparison"
No. That's not the case Mags is strong but as I stated b4 all of the fancy upgrades, he is still beatable and reasonably in the same league as a determined Bison bent on taking your life away. I am not referring to new Mags that now after augmentations, is virtually God himself!!!!
Incidentally when I mentionned Bison's ability to hypnotize I didn't mean in Mags case. I know very well that due to his helmet Mags is pretty much impervious to those attacks. The point is to demonstrate the power of the character and that he is not one dimensional.
Jinzin. I have the street fighter collection on dvd. I ain't pulling this outta my ass. This is what happened in the movie. Are you to tell me that it's false now because that takes away your trump card?
You want volume and name of the movie by all means, allow me time to find it in my library or if you like research it yourself online. It's an easy thing to obtain because they only have two versions of the movie among which is in a form of series now!!!!
This is not me making shit up. That's what happened.
Furthermore,for you to just laugh at that means that you have no argument to back up your debate. If Mags is soo impressive then find another scenario to trounce Bison since in your opinion Bison is not on his level. Whether or not Mags can influence his blood or not, then find another means of attack. It seems that Mags fans are just bent on the iron manipulating thing. Like that's the ace in deck. Why hasn't Mags just been doing that all the time and thusly eliminate his competition?
The reason why Magneto won the fight against Phoenix was because she was getting accustom to her powers. Given time and practice, I assure u, that will not happen ever again. Remember she was taxed to her limits and tired, so that was a cheap shot from Magneto. Magneto has honed his skills and is very creative to different uses while Jean was just starting to comprehend the phoenix force. If that had been a real fight, trust me, Magneto would be nothing more that space dust. For crying out loud! Jean becomes the matriach of the phoenix force and has obliterated a solar system and healed a thousand galaxies when she became the white phoenix crown! As for the psi comparison between Bison and Xavier; all I have to say is WHAT ARE U SMOKING? Xavier is the epitome of telepathy! Xavier has controlled many people globally before while mindscanning and mind wiping bad guys at the same time. He is the reason in the first place why there are so many great telepathic figures in both DC and Marvel.
Xavier has his limititations. Just the fact that he uses Cerebro and Mags is immune to his telepathy proves that he is not the number one telepath like everyone claims him to be.
His telepathy is on par with Martian Manhunter and the likes.
He has limitations and it has been shown repeatedly.
He has issues with alien minds and minds that are too choatic or filled with anger for him not to get sucked in and consumed by the emotions. That has been proven with Cain Marko when he tried to enter Cain's mind in order to help him cope with his lost when he was no longer Juggernaut.
Originally posted by jinzinThe point is, Bison doesn't even opperate on the same level of power as magneto does so what's the point of using power level vs. power level. Is Bison capible of possibly ending the world? not....even...close. Is magneto, without a doubt.
Magneto can't end the world with his own powers, he need followers, and there are X-Men that will always stop him, as there is Ryu that will always stp Akuma or Bison.
Magento wouldn't trounce Bison, he can't do that, I think Magento would eventulal win after hard battle. And please don't take seriosuly about Magento going in fist to fist with Collossus, old man with fist againt Collossus, and people wonder why are some saying Marvel is soemtimes (and not only somteimse) very illogical. And Bison flies faster than Magneto is teleprotin, Magento wouldn't even see him, and about a body Bison has every advatnge, stronger, faster, telporitng.
Gee, I don't know where to begin.
How about here:
Name some Bison feats that make you think that Bison could resist the iron in his blood being controlled. There's a BIG difference between having an immune system that's resistant to poison and being able to prevent your molecules from being manipulated. Wolverine can't be poisoned either...he gets owned repeated by Magneto.
Name some Bison feats that make you think that Bison's psionic capabilities exceed those of Xavier or Jean Grey. Magneto has defeated them both, at the same time even when he used his power to mask his presence from Jean, Magneto and Psylocke at the same time. His defense was so strong that he was able to withstand a combined assault from both of them during Fatal Attractions and still beat down the rest of the X-men until Wolverine nailed him. Name something that Bison has done that would exceed that
Name some Bison feats that show strength or energy projection powerful enough to penetrate Magneto's shields. Keep in mind that Magneto took a shot from Galactus and his shields held, he blocked several russian nukes, and he took multiple shots from Thor with Mjolnir.
Name some Bison feats that show the durability to withstand Class 100 attacks and energy projection. Magneto has amped his strength enough to knock Apocalypse back. He's lifted a 30,000 TON freight carrier. He's lifted and controlled the orbit of an asteroid weighing millions of tons. He's blasted holes in volcanos and blacked out the entire planet. He's permanently messed up the EM field of the planet to prevent long range telepathy. He was in the midst of reversing the poles of earth - which would have destroyed the entire planet - under his own power. Name something to show that Bison could withstand that kind of force.
So...no more speculation. You keep using the excuse that not much is known about Bison. If so little is known about him, then you're hardly in a position to declare that he can beat Magneto. So give me feats - show me he can exceed what I've PROVEN Magneto is able to take. If you can't, then you have no argument. I've named feats - you do the same.
I stand by my statement that little is known about him therefore I can't tell you to shove those Mag's "feats" up your nose and blow them out your ear.
You exploit the fact that one character is much more known as well as what he has done versus someone who's past is shrouded. Until the creator decides to divulge that info, your argument despite as elaborate or factual accounts you may have on Mags, is pointless cuz I don't have enough info to back me up.
I still also stand by my opinion that Bison would and Can prevail.
And just for the record, I wish someone could use another argument or scenario aside from the iron in blood thing. It's getting old fast!!!!
If the character is as grandiose as you think it is, then try to show him as a multi dimensional character with an array of abilities aside from just stripping iron from the blood crap!!!
the thing is that even if bison does not seem to be on the same power level as mags, his power is mystic as opposed to physical or psionic in nature, this is a similar scenario to magneto vs dr strange, although strange does not have any apparent power as opposed to magneto's power, but his power is mystic in nature and he stands a good chance of defeating mags.
M stands for Michael. Originally Balrog (the boxer's name) was M. Bison. that's his name in Japan. Can you guess how they came up with the name Mike Bison for a video game boxer? And once you figure that out, can you guess why that might be a problem in the US and why they'd have to swap names and leave it as "M"? You got it!
Originally posted by LordFear
I stand by my statement that little is known about him therefore I can't tell you to shove those Mag's "feats" up your nose and blow them out your ear.
You exploit the fact that one character is much more known as well as what he has done versus someone who's past is shrouded. Until the creator decides to divulge that info, your argument despite as elaborate or factual accounts you may have on Mags, is pointless cuz I don't have enough info to back me up.
I still also stand by my opinion that Bison would and Can prevail.
And just for the record, I wish someone could use another argument or scenario aside from the iron in blood thing. It's getting old fast!!!!
If the character is as grandiose as you think it is, then try to show him as a multi dimensional character with an array of abilities aside from just stripping iron from the blood crap!!!
All of which is well and good, but if everything about Bison is so mysterious then you're basing your belief that he's more powerful than Magneto on nothing. You just *want* him to be more powerful. The bottom line remains - Bison, based on his showings, is far less powerful than Magneto. Unless they write him doing something other than using his psycho power to throw a car, that will continue to be the case.
It's like:
"Behold the power of Stezelion! He is far more powerful than Thanos!"
"Based on what? I saw him rip a tree out its roots and throw it. That's nothing"
"Bah! It said in the issue that his power is potentially limitless!"
"But the most impressive thing I've ever seen him do is throw a tree"
"Feh! That's because so little is known about him that nobody knows the full extent of his power!"
"If nobody knows the full extent of his power beyond throwing a tree...how can YOU know the full extent of his power is beyond Thanos?"
"It just IS, dude!"
Anyone see the problem here?
Originally posted by leonheartmm
the thing is that even if bison does not seem to be on the same power level as mags, his power is mystic as opposed to physical or psionic in nature, this is a similar scenario to magneto vs dr strange, although strange does not have any apparent power as opposed to magneto's power, but his power is mystic in nature and he stands a good chance of defeating mags.
And it's worthless - combined, still none of you can answer my challenge above. Until that's done, this debate is over.
Originally posted by demigawd
Gee, I don't know where to begin.How about here:
Name some Bison feats that make you think that Bison could resist the iron in his blood being controlled. There's a BIG difference between having an immune system that's resistant to poison and being able to prevent your molecules from being manipulated. Wolverine can't be poisoned either...he gets owned repeated by Magneto.
Name some Bison feats that make you think that Bison's psionic capabilities exceed those of Xavier or Jean Grey. Magneto has defeated them both, at the same time even when he used his power to mask his presence from Jean, Magneto and Psylocke at the same time. His defense was so strong that he was able to withstand a combined assault from both of them during Fatal Attractions and still beat down the rest of the X-men until Wolverine nailed him. Name something that Bison has done that would exceed that
Name some Bison feats that show strength or energy projection powerful enough to penetrate Magneto's shields. Keep in mind that Magneto took a shot from Galactus and his shields held, he blocked several russian nukes, and he took multiple shots from Thor with Mjolnir.
Name some Bison feats that show the durability to withstand Class 100 attacks and energy projection. Magneto has amped his strength enough to knock Apocalypse back. He's lifted a 30,000 TON freight carrier. He's lifted and controlled the orbit of an asteroid weighing millions of tons. He's blasted holes in volcanos and blacked out the entire planet. He's permanently messed up the EM field of the planet to prevent long range telepathy. He was in the midst of reversing the poles of earth - which would have destroyed the entire planet - under his own power. Name something to show that Bison could withstand that kind of force.
So...no more speculation. You keep using the excuse that not much is known about Bison. If so little is known about him, then you're hardly in a position to declare that he can beat Magneto. So give me feats - show me he can exceed what I've PROVEN Magneto is able to take. If you can't, then you have no argument. I've named feats - you do the same.
You made very good point, but not beacuse of Magneto, I alredy knew that, but why are we even bodering about Bison, who is not even well known, if we don't know his full powers yet, then it's better to leave the place until we do, but Bison still have great pwoers, but I said before, Magneto would eventualyl win.
m bison's known power is that he is the master of the wave of killing urge and the wave of killing urge is the most powerful and dangerous energy and power that exists in the street fighter world. u know, theres a reason why bison is called a demi god, if there was noone to stop him,he cud have ended all existance,
the main reason why nonoe thinks hes on the same power level to mag's is that in the street fighter world, events and battles happen on a smaller scale, meaning that u dont have to show to the world that u can turn the earth on its magnetic poles to be powerful enough to end all of existance.
WELL then how come everybody assumes that Lt, Ego, TOAA, and other cosmic entities such as Eternity, Choas and Order they are abstract in the sense that we never see their true powers but we know of their potential thus making them supreme. Why can't the same be done with Bison to some extent? Because it's not a popular notion to believe that Bison could defeat Mags. I have seen Bison do much more impressing feats then just throw cars with his psycho powers. His psycho powers alone are more powerful when he chanels it through his fist making it deadlier then Psylock's psi blade.
Now in the old Xmen issue, 90's era (early), I saw Betty chanel her blade and cut through Mag;s force field, when she along with Scott were being held captive by him on Genosha. She focused her energy and the next panel showed her remembering back when she was with Mandarin how he taught her to increase the her mental strength on her blade.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
m bison's known power is that he is the master of the wave of killing urge and the wave of killing urge is the most powerful and dangerous energy and power that exists in the street fighter world. u know, theres a reason why bison is called a demi god, if there was noone to stop him,he cud have ended all existance,the main reason why nonoe thinks hes on the same power level to mag's is that in the street fighter world, events and battles happen on a smaller scale, meaning that u dont have to show to the world that u can turn the earth on its magnetic poles to be powerful enough to end all of existance.
Yes, but in street fighter world, there are some indivudals that goes even beyond Bison. But look, if there wouldn't be any to oppose Galactus, Galactus would already have eaten the Earth, there is always someone to stop him, wih expection of God Thanos, there was no one to stop him.