A good point was made and that's in streetfighter people don't need to televise or make grand show offs to demonstrate that they are capable of annihilating countries or nations. In MU, on the otherhand that's what they do. THings are done on a global, galactic or universal level. So therefore people are jumping to conclusions and saying "Oh well, if Mag's has threatened and done this, well then Bison who hasn't showed that can be kicked in his pants".Not true. Understand BOTH parties before doing that. The feats that Bison has done can't compare to Mags because they don't operate on that level. But could Bison be equally as big as threat and could go against Gods? Hell yeah!!!
Could Bison also withstand a Godforce blast? Don't know because it hasn't been done but to jump and just say no off the bat is wrong.The man has proven to have powers of a demigod. Now demigods are the likes of Hercules, Titans, Eternals and some Immortals. That's pretty big dog leagues right there!!!
Originally posted by leonheartmm
m bison's known power is that he is the master of the wave of killing urge and the wave of killing urge is the most powerful and dangerous energy and power that exists in the street fighter world. u know, theres a reason why bison is called a demi god, if there was noone to stop him,he cud have ended all existance,the main reason why nonoe thinks hes on the same power level to mag's is that in the street fighter world, events and battles happen on a smaller scale, meaning that u dont have to show to the world that u can turn the earth on its magnetic poles to be powerful enough to end all of existance.
So if no one were there to stop Bison, he would end all existence, right? And who is there to stop Bison? A couple of guys who take karate.
hahahahaha.
Sure, the "wave of killing urge" (I've never heard of any of this stuff...what's your source for these terms?) may be the most powerful force in the SF world...but that doesn't mean it compares to what exists in the Marvel Universe. In the real world, if I could generate electricity out of my hands, I'd automatically be the most powerful person in the world. In the Marvel Universe, I'd be a second rate Electro. The only way to see just how powerful an energy source is, is to look at and compare actual feats. So it comes down to the challenge that is, as yet, still unanswered - what are Bison's feats?
Originally posted by LordFear
WELL then how come everybody assumes that Lt, Ego, TOAA, and other cosmic entities such as Eternity, Choas and Order they are abstract in the sense that we never see their true powers but we know of their potential thus making them supreme. Why can't the same be done with Bison to some extent? Because it's not a popular notion to believe that Bison could defeat Mags. I have seen Bison do much more impressing feats then just throw cars with his psycho powers. His psycho powers alone are more powerful when he chanels it through his fist making it deadlier then Psylock's psi blade.
Now in the old Xmen issue, 90's era (early), I saw Betty chanel her blade and cut through Mag;s force field, when she along with Scott were being held captive by him on Genosha. She focused her energy and the next panel showed her remembering back when she was with Mandarin how he taught her to increase the her mental strength on her blade.
Now in the old Xmen issue, 90's era (early), I saw Betty chanel her blade and cut through Mag;s force field, when she along with Scott were being held captive by him on Genosha. She focused her energy and the next panel showed her remembering back when she was with Mandarin how he taught her to increase the her mental strength on her blade.
You're completely misremembering that issue. you're referring to X-men #2. First off, she didn't cut through Magneto's forcefield. Magneto was trying to explain that he's just trying to defend his Asteroid from hostile governments. The X-men attack and he tries his best to harmlessly repel them. During that battle, Fabian Cortez kissed Psylocke and supercharged her powers, thinking she couldn't handle the load. She did, and she ambushed Magneto, whose shields weren't up. So Psylocke, who ambushed a Magneto who wasn't trying to defend himself, with power enhanced by 100 times, and said, "If Magneto's pet dog didn't amp me like this, I couldn't come close to hurting him". Magneto was STILL standing, to which she replied, "The sheer force of the man!". A second later, Chrome, one of Magneto's Acolytes, turned her and the rest of the X-men to metal and Magneto took them all to Asteroid M.
If you're going to try to cite evidence, cite it right. Like I did above.
BTW - this was in 1992, before Magneto's second power up in Fatal Attractions.
Originally posted by LordFear
A good point was made and that's in streetfighter people don't need to televise or make grand show offs to demonstrate that they are capable of annihilating countries or nations. In MU, on the otherhand that's what they do. THings are done on a global, galactic or universal level. So therefore people are jumping to conclusions and saying "Oh well, if Mag's has threatened and done this, well then Bison who hasn't showed that can be kicked in his pants".Not true. Understand BOTH parties before doing that. The feats that Bison has done can't compare to Mags because they don't operate on that level. But could Bison be equally as big as threat and could go against Gods? Hell yeah!!!
Could Bison also withstand a Godforce blast? Don't know because it hasn't been done but to jump and just say no off the bat is wrong.The man has proven to have powers of a demigod. Now demigods are the likes of Hercules, Titans, Eternals and some Immortals. That's pretty big dog leagues right there!!!
It's not showing off - it's achieving your goals. If Bison had the power to destroy the universe, he wouldn't have gotten beaten up by Charlie and Guile, who are just a couple of special forces guys. He's been in some recovery chamber ever since, and currently Vega is in charge. So don't use the excuse that, "he has that power, he just, uh, chooses not to use it" - again, you're speculating that he has power that he's never shown for no reason other than having faith that it's there. A character's power is only as good as his feats. Magneto has them, Bison doesn't. End of story.
actually ryu is not just some guy who takes karate, he is the chosen one who has the greatest POTENTIAL power from the wave of killing urge.{READ the manga}
and bison only got beat up by guile in the american comics, this never happened in the original manga{incidently the storyline was all screwed up in the american street fighter cartoons n movies where guile was shown to be the hero, GUILE is NOTHING compared to the like of ryu and bison in the original manga or the animes, } still bison once entered the minds of all the beings in the planets to extract thair life force from them but was stopped by ryu, ken and dhalsim {with a little help from akuma} after that battle, he was caught by surprise by akuma who turned bisons's own energy against him and sent bison to hell where he should have been destroyed, but even hell itself could not destroy bison and tried instead to trap him forever, but failed at that too and bison got himself out of hell with the pure force of his will and power. sooooooooo u were saying.......................................................
I am not talking about power ups by the way.
All these feats that you mentioned earlier I am doing a google search for issue and volume. Because I seem to think that some of these feats that you are reciting are a different Mag version and not the original one I am referring too.So for now, you won't see me dispute that only because I am checking out your story.
Second of all I am not referring to Asteroid M saga. I am referring to a volume 1994 to be correct when her and Scott where on Genosha. The island of Genosha. Mags launched an attack at it full force because he was tired of the UN allowing crimes against mutants to continue without any challenge. So he storms the island to put an end to it. Xmen where already on the scene half for diplomatic reasons but another secrect team was deployed by Xavier's on orders alone and the purpose was to infiltrate and learn as much as possible and to standby for an eventual pre emptive strike if talks broke down. The team was comprised of Scott, Psylock and Gambit.
I don't have the book. I read it in a comic shop but never bought it.
Matter of fact on the cover showed, Mags raged out surrounded by Sentinels falling to pieces. One the cover it said "Time for retribution" One the first page, it showed Mags approaching the island screaming "I'm through waiting and talking. The time for action is now.
Something like that anyway can't remember the name of the damn book!!
Bare with me on this. GOtta do some digging. I have a friend who might have that book. Matter of fact might be the reason why I didn't buy it cuz I figured I could just swap it from him.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
actually ryu is not just some guy who takes karate, he is the chosen one who has the greatest POTENTIAL power from the wave of killing urge.{READ the manga}
and bison only got beat up by guile in the american comics, this never happened in the original manga{incidently the storyline was all screwed up in the american street fighter cartoons n movies where guile was shown to be the hero, GUILE is NOTHING compared to the like of ryu and bison in the original manga or the animes, } still bison once entered the minds of all the beings in the planets to extract thair life force from them but was stopped by ryu, ken and dhalsim {with a little help from akuma} after that battle, he was caught by surprise by akuma who turned bisons's own energy against him and sent bison to hell where he should have been destroyed, but even hell itself could not destroy bison and tried instead to trap him forever, but failed at that too and bison got himself out of hell with the pure force of his will and power. sooooooooo u were saying.......................................................
Well said, in manga, in Street FIghter V series and Street Fighter Anmited MOive, Bison made Guile look like joke, Guile is nothing to Bison.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
actually ryu is not just some guy who takes karate, he is the chosen one who has the greatest POTENTIAL power from the wave of killing urge.{READ the manga}
and bison only got beat up by guile in the american comics, this never happened in the original manga{incidently the storyline was all screwed up in the american street fighter cartoons n movies where guile was shown to be the hero, GUILE is NOTHING compared to the like of ryu and bison in the original manga or the animes, } still bison once entered the minds of all the beings in the planets to extract thair life force from them but was stopped by ryu, ken and dhalsim {with a little help from akuma} after that battle, he was caught by surprise by akuma who turned bisons's own energy against him and sent bison to hell where he should have been destroyed, but even hell itself could not destroy bison and tried instead to trap him forever, but failed at that too and bison got himself out of hell with the pure force of his will and power. sooooooooo u were saying.......................................................
What Bison are we debating? I'm not going to sit here debating video game Bison with one set of powers, comic book Bison with another set of powers, anime Bison with yet another set of powers and manga Bison with more powers still. You all need to settle on one Bison, and present that Bison to me logically. if "too much is shrouded in mystery" then withdraw until he's less....cloudy.
As for this manga Bison....never read the manga, have no idea what goes on there. But you still have to name some feats of power. Bison escaped Hell...but that's a testament to his willpower, which I'm sure is impressive. What are his POWER feats, things that would make you believe he could beat someone like Magneto?
I am not talking about power ups by the way.
All these feats that you mentioned earlier I am doing a google search for issue and volume. Because I seem to think that some of these feats that you are reciting are a different Mag version and not the original one I am referring too.So for now, you won't see me dispute that only because I am checking out your story.
Different Mag version? You mean someone other than Erik Lensherr? His Thor feats and his Galactus feats are actually BOTH really old. His thor feat was back in the 70s, and his Galactus feat was around the Secret War time period in the early 80s. In the first case, it while before Magneto was returned to youth. In the second case, it was after he was restored by Erik the Red.
Second of all I am not referring to Asteroid M saga. I am referring to a volume 1994 to be correct when her and Scott where on Genosha. The island of Genosha. Mags launched an attack at it full force because he was tired of the UN allowing crimes against mutants to continue without any challenge.
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Either you're hallucinating or you're making this up. Fatal Attractions came out in 1993. It had nothing to do with Genosha, as Magneto spent the entire arc entirely in space. At the end of the storyline (which took place over five months), he was turned into a vegetable. There wasn't another appearance of Magneto (aside from Joseph) until 1997, when he was Erik the Red. He appeared again in the background during Joe Kelley's run, but didn't do any fighting in a storyline until the Magneto War in 1999. He made NO appearances from 1993 to 1997, and only cameos until 1999. Are you SURE you saw what you thought you saw?
I am telling you that there is such a comic.
Now whenever or not you wanna believe then that's your affair.
Xmen ran issues in 94-95 respectively with Magneto in it.
Now I don't claim to be foremost expert but I know what the hell I read.
So whatever it is your telling me is as much nonsense as the point your debating. I'll let this issue as well as other issues during that running year span depicting him in issues be researched by me. BTW there are versions of Magneto. I specifically made sure to mention current as in ordinary Magneto. No Mags altered with Onslaught or neither or his recent power upgrades who now in some issues depicts him as having almost Godlike abilities.
Think whatever you want regardless. Doesn't change the opinions that I hold and neither will it to you apparently.
I just wanna say before I am officially done with this thread going back and forth with this issue (which seems hellbent on feats for some reason rather than the character's powers and POTENTIAL power) is when I do find that issue. I will post it up gladly.
It's also weird to me how people can use arguments such as potential power just like in an Icemen versus thread but won't allow it in a another thread for another character. IS IT JUST ME????Must be!!
And it's also weird how a character acknowledged as a demigod would get smite down (pretty easily apparently) by another who has exhibited "grand feats". I guess your definition of demigod is different from mines huh demigawd????Pun intended
You said you picked it up and read it 10 years ago in a comic book shop. The plot sounds shockingly similar to X-men #2. There was no Magneto in 1994 or 1995 since he was in a coma. Just to drive the final stake in your argument's coffin, would you like me to supply references with the exact issues and exact years? Funny, I seem to have all of that at my command. Strange, you do not.
BTW there are versions of Magneto. I specifically made sure to mention current as in ordinary Magneto. No Mags altered with Onslaught or neither or his recent power upgrades who now in some issues depicts him as having almost Godlike abilities.
What's ordinary Magneto?
There's original Magneto - a 60-something year old man who could control metal
There's de-aged Magneto - a 30-something year old man who could control electromagnetic energy
There's post-Fatal Attractions Magneto - who could control electromagnetic energy at a molecular level
There's current Magneto, who is "godlike".
Pick one.
I just wanna say before I am officially done with this thread going back and forth with this issue (which seems hellbent on feats for some reason rather than the character's powers and POTENTIAL power)
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OF COURSE it's hellbent on feats!!! How else are you going to compare two different characters from two different universes other than comparing their history? I'm basing my view of Magneto on his feats - things he's done in the past to support his abilities. You're basing your view of Bison on......?
Potential means absolutely nothing. I'm POTENTIALLY the president of the United States - are you going to come to me for foreign policy advice? That's ridiculous.
I'm shocked that you'd write something like that.
It's also weird to me how people can use arguments such as potential power just like in an Icemen versus thread but won't allow it in a another thread for another character. IS IT JUST ME????
Yes, actually. Nobody argues for Iceman based on his potential. We argued for him based upon things he's actually done. There's not a single person on that thread who said, "Iceman has the potential to freeze your molecules, so he freezes them". There were LOTS of people, however who said, "Iceman has the ABILITY to freeze your molecules, because he's done it before". There's a HUGE difference. You're good at invalid comparisons.
pretty much all those magnetos are the same.
He was reduced to an infant state and regrew into a man again.That's why he appears to have a younger body.
Yeah magneto did resist physlocke and also rogue.
she tried to absorb his power but it failed.
without a doubt magneto takes this.
your right demigawd.
I know what iceman has done.I know he can absorb the moisture from people cause i saw him do it in the Draco story arc.
It's like saying galactus can't be beaten because we don't know his true potential.
no actually, bison is greater than akuman who is greater than ryu. however ryu is potentially the most powerful but ists the very fact that akuma accepts the negetive power of the wave of killing urge while ryu tries to resist it because hes good in the soul that make ryu less powerful, and bison is the one and only MASTER of the wave of killing urge.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
no actually, bison is greater than akuman who is greater than ryu. however ryu is potentially the most powerful but ists the very fact that akuma accepts the negetive power of the wave of killing urge while ryu tries to resist it because hes good in the soul that make ryu less powerful, and bison is the one and only MASTER of the wave of killing urge.
Bison greater than Akuma? Please show me an example.
Everything i've ever seen shows that the Master of Darkness is NOTHING to the Master of the Fist.