Originally posted by GalacticStorm
"yes, as you said, marvel chooses when and where to let 'real physics' apply. And seeing as this battle has not taken place in the marvel universe, we dont know what they would decide to do, so i'm saying that actual physics would apply in terms of electro."All the rules of marvel comics and their way of interpreting things applies. You cant suddenly choose to not make it so just so you can win a debate. My friend it doesnt work like that in the grown up world.
"and since when do electromagnetivity and psionic energy have anything in common? Sure, storm might be able to build a "shield" out of lightning around her brain or some other bs like that, which helps her fend of psychics, but it will do dick to help her against someone who can use the same lightning inside her skull to fry her brains into mush."
For crying out loud electromagnetivity and psionic energy have always been related and thats been made very clear in marvel comics since the very beginning of the xmen. Psychic energy is brain synapses. Brain synapses is electric energy. Storm , magneto, polaris and electro are electromagnetic energy wielders and they all have a natural field which makes it difficult for psis to probe their minds.
U want examples? Ok. Why is the operating range of Xaviers powers now dramatically less nowadays than when he was 1st starting the xmen? Because Mags made it that way by manipulating the earths electromagnetic field to limit his greatest enemies efficiency as opposition. Magneto master magnetism also has limited psychic powers why? Nothing to do with the fact that the nature of his energies are electromagnetic and he is arguably the best on the planet at manipulating such energies. It is also for this reason that xavier finds it so hard to probe magnetos mind. Who elses mind do psychics find incredibly hard to probe? Polaris and storms. Why? Possibly cos of the electromagnetic nature of their powers. I could go on and on but if u want proof pick up a copy of essential xmen one read the in-depth bio on xavier and it will tell you about the link between the two energies.
"and you keep saying that she will be able to resist electro's weild of eletricity. I just dont see it happening. Electro is able to easily weild voltage far exceeding 1 million... before his "upgrade". And if that was easy for him before, then storm has no chance of trying to block him from frying her from the inside out."
Out of every1 its you who i dont believe has read this whole thread but just lazily jumped in at the middle. Storm wields and generates far higher voltages than electro. Electros upgrade as it were has less to do with an increases in the power he can generate but more to with him being taught to use what powers he has properly and him learning extra skills. Its sheer speculation that electro can generate significantly more energy and that has no place here. Especially when i and the people voting for storm are using comic fact to base our argument upon.
Electro can generate and store within his body just 1million volts of electricity. If you visit the link i posted a few pages back you will see that your average naturally occurring lightning bolts voltage ranges from 10 MILLION TO 120 MILLION VOLTS. NO COMPARISON. Storm is adept at controlling her lightning and it courses through her body Electro aint frying sh*t.
okay, maybe i skip every 3rd of 4th of your posts in a row, hell, i dont know anybody who wouldnt, you only post 6 damn times, each one having about half a paragraph! i skim over most of em and try to filter out stuff you've already said a hundred times, and trust me, each time you say it again, doesnt help your arguemtent anymore.
And, sorry again, but i cant find your "link" that shows her weilding 120 million volts, everytime i click on the link, it just says "page cannot be displayed". and no, i dont have firewall or any other guards on, so its nothing like that.
you also claim that i cant just "change marvel physics for however i want". Im not saying i would. I'm saying that marvel is probably THE most inconsistant company when it comes to anything, and there is no telling how they would handle a recent battle, so i'm going with the supermagnet being able to work, as it was not stated in the other fights that "hey, that guy's using a supermagnet, but storm can move him" or "hey, that guys is sheilding himself with an EM feild, but storm isnt effected"
oh... and this might be news to you, but electro doesnt have psyonic abilities... he manipulates electricity AND EMs. Two distinct powers that are interrelated, but definately not the same. You keep saying that storm can keep out any EMs. Good for her. Too bad her brain primarily works using electrical charges between neurons... elctro could fry the thing in an instant, EM sheild or no.
Originally posted by stormfront13
once again and i feel like a broken record saying this but once again galactic is right on all points. and the storm fans can prove that she can win bt the electro people can't. they use speculation where as the storm supporters use com,ic proof
ROFLMAO... you remind me of the little kid in a leather coat that stands behind the bully, and after the bully punches someone in the gut, he jumps up and says "yeah, mess with me.. er HIM... again!"
only... this time the bully is standing there swinging at the air... yet you keep saying "yeah, mess with me... er HIM... again!"
"name ONE TIME storm has manipulated psionic feilds. I have yet to see her read someones mind, take control of their body, implant images, or even do some Tk"
No kontraz u name me one time that electros done those things? Exactly u cant either. You've got what i was saying completely wrong!! Cos the energies are related and storm has control over electromagnetic energies psionically she can manipulate the electrical field in the brain. U want examples read bk thru the thread. She can use this ability as a weapon as she has done and to cause interference to psis. She controls this field. Electro has used his ability to do the same against people who arent connected to such energies so r defenceless. Its a big diff taking on the more powerful storm who shares this ability and it will be a battle of wills which i believe storm will win
"exactly what i'm saying. Electro can draw and drain energy from any electrical source, as well. If storm is full of lightning, he can just drain all of it from her (including her brain sheild) and use it to amp his own power to fry her brain all the faster "
Storm wields lightning of more voltage than electros body can contain he wouldnt be able to just absorb her electricity like that he'd burn himself out. Look again for the link it proves my point im not posting it again. You cant really keep using that point when ive countered it way bk when and have evidence to prove my point.
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Originally posted by Kontraz
okay, maybe i skip every 3rd of 4th of your posts in a row, hell, i dont know anybody who wouldnt, you only post 6 damn times, each one having about half a paragraph! i skim over most of em and try to filter out stuff you've already said a hundred times, and trust me, each time you say it again, doesnt help your arguemtent anymore.And, sorry again, but i cant find your "link" that shows her weilding 120 million volts, everytime i click on the link, it just says "page cannot be displayed". and no, i dont have firewall or any other guards on, so its nothing like that.
you also claim that i cant just "change marvel physics for however i want". Im not saying i would. I'm saying that marvel is probably THE most inconsistant company when it comes to anything, and there is no telling how they would handle a recent battle, so i'm going with the supermagnet being able to work, as it was not stated in the other fights that "hey, that guy's using a supermagnet, but storm can move him" or "hey, that guys is sheilding himself with an EM feild, but storm isnt effected"
oh... and this might be news to you, but electro doesnt have psyonic abilities... he manipulates electricity AND EMs. Two distinct powers that are interrelated, but definately not the same. You keep saying that storm can keep out any EMs. Good for her. Too bad her brain primarily works using electrical charges between neurons... elctro could fry the thing in an instant, EM sheild or no.
alright.... now try answering this one 😉.
oh, and about electro using 1 million volts... he can STORE up to 1 million at any given time... he can weild an infinite amount, actually amplifying the power, so long as there is a power source.
so, lets go to the storm scenerio. She tries to block him with an EM field, he takes all energy from that and shoots it back into her brain, say 10 fold? Shes dead.
okay, lets say he cant do that for some reason... he just uses the pure electricity in her neurons, having NOTHING to do with her EM field, amplify their power, and fry her brain despite the field...
EDIT: yeah, i finally got that link to work... i thought you said real physics dont apply in marvel? Oh, but its pro storm, so this does.... anyway, 100 MVs... wow... impressive... and electro can store 1 MV.... too bad he can WIELD AN INFINITE AMOUNT SO LONG AS THERE IS A SOURCE... which is storm's 100MVs in this case 😉
"Oh, really? Have they fought in the comics? I would like proof that Storm's power of electricity is greater than Electros, proof other than your word."
U want proof swanky like i said to kontraz try reading a whole thread before you contribute ive posted links backing up my claims and ive given references. Good luck hunting
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
"Oh, really? Have they fought in the comics? I would like proof that Storm's power of electricity is greater than Electros, proof other than your word."U want proof swanky like i said to kontraz try reading a whole thread before you contribute ive posted links backing up my claims and ive given references. Good luck hunting
you want to actually "contribute", as you're telling us to do... try countering my last 3 posts or so.... i've heard enough on psionic energy, and i dont care... neither of these chars are psychics, so it matters not.
konmtraz what would you like me to say that galactis hasn't already??he's better at countering than me so i let him. i don't have anything to say that won't be repeated so i say that i support galactic. theres nothing wrong with that. and whats to stop storm from cutting him really bad to the point he really weakens and then create sub zero temperature. then cut hm again. this will work. and storm can do the brain thing to if she wanted. he won't be able to affect it you should know this so bget over it
oh, and storm's hurricanes wont do too much to him... he can move at 170 mph... max hurricane winds are about 150. He'd be dodging so easily its not even funny.
EDIT: oops, max hurricane is also around 170, but still, whenever its trying to hurl an object, all the factors playing in, the object wont move 170 by far.
ok seriously do you know anything about the weather?? hurricanes can be around 300 moh and storm can make them faster due to her powers. she can literallllly cut the flesh off his skin if he wanted to. she can blind him w/ sandstorm, and fog. she can attack him more than he can attack her. she can and will beat him.
"oh, and about electro using 1 million volts... he can STORE up to 1 million at any given time... he can weild an infinite amount, actually amplifying the power, so long as there is a power source."
Oh dear where do i begin?
Electros body can only store 1MILLION volts at any one time he can not have more than that coursing through him. How he's going to tap into and wield enough energy to take out storm is beyond me. His body has limits and kontraz ive already described them. He can wield an infinite amount? Psssh. Hes not phoenix mate.
so, lets go to the storm scenerio. She tries to block him with an EM field, he takes all energy from that and shoots it back into her brain, say 10 fold? Shes dead.
10 fold? Thats beyond his ability he'd fry his own ass.
"okay, lets say he cant do that for some reason... he just uses the pure electricity in her neurons, having NOTHING to do with her EM field, amplify their power, and fry her brain despite the field..."
So storm psionically manipulates energy fields and patterns including those of the brain which so far she has threatened to kill someone with. How electros going to directly tap into that electricty without storm resisting is beyond me.
Originally posted by stormfront13
ok seriously do you know anything about the weather?? hurricanes can be around 300 moh and storm can make them faster due to her powers. she can literallllly cut the flesh off his skin if he wanted to. she can blind him w/ sandstorm, and fog. she can attack him more than he can attack her. she can and will beat him.
record winds for ANY hurricane is 195.... only slightly faster than electro travels.... do YOU know anything about weather?
"you want to actually "contribute", as you're telling us to do... try countering my last 3 posts or so.... i've heard enough on psionic energy, and i dont care... neither of these chars are psychics, so it matters not."
I never claimed any of them were psychics the fact that you've come out with that conclusion after reading my posts shows either you've skimmed most of this thread or you're understanding and comprehension skills are at a level which is going to make debating with you in adult terms really rather difficult.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
"you want to actually "contribute", as you're telling us to do... try countering my last 3 posts or so.... i've heard enough on psionic energy, and i dont care... neither of these chars are psychics, so it matters not."I never claimed any of them were psychics the fact that you've come out with that conclusion after reading my posts shows either you've skimmed most of this thread or you're understanding and comprehension skills are at a level which is going to make debating with you in adult terms really rather difficult.
and still you dont try to counter my debates.... you simply say her EM sheild can block electro's ability to control electricity in general. everytime i mention him frying her brain, you use the magneto and psychics arguement. Well, NONE OF THEM CONTROL ELECTRICITY. EM and electricity are very different. Electro can do both. If she throws up an em field, he'll just fry her with good ol' neuron electricity
Originally posted by GalacticStormIt's just resisting! Resisting doesn't always help people who are getting raped, resisting doesn't guarantee Storm will be unaffected.
So storm psionically manipulates energy fields and patterns including those of the brain which so far she has threatened to kill someone with. How electros going to directly tap into that electricty without storm resisting is beyond me.
" and storm's hurricanes wont do too much to him... he can move at 170 mph... max hurricane winds are about 150. He'd be dodging so easily its not even funny."
That really is one of the most foolish things ive heard in my life. Its not the speed of the thing that matters. Its the density and power. Its not like she gonna set a hurricane loose and its gonna be chasing him at those speeds while he flies away and outpaces it. LMAO!!!! Hurricanes are massive she would just direct the winds at him and he would be pinned down or his flight severely restricted. The weather area would cover the battlefield so how is the spedd of the winds involved got anything to do with it?