Christians dont love God............

Originally posted by Alliance
Hammurabi in in the Louvre 🙂

Originally posted by lord xyz
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Ermmm, maybe he was lying. Did you ever think of that?

And what would be the point of lying?

Originally posted by Emo?
The fact that:

1. God wrote the commandments, not Moses, but if moses did why did he claim them to be from god instead of himself?

2. They never said nothing at school about Hammurabi, i know, but i never payed attention in History and RE 🙂

1. Because people would follow him. Can you understand people lie?

2. How do oyu know they never said anything about Hammurabi if you didn't pay attention?

Originally posted by RocasAtoll
1. Because people would follow him. Can you understand people lie?

2. How do oyu know they never said anything about Hammurabi if you didn't pay attention?

1. People don't lie for practically no reason. He would have put "moses is now god" if he would have lied.

2. Lol, nevermind, you wouldn't understand

Originally posted by lord xyz
the wha...?

Don't know your World's Most Important Museums?

The Louvre

Hammurabi's code resides there.

Originally posted by Emo?
1. People don't lie for practically no reason. He would have put "moses is now god" if he would have lied.

2. Lol, nevermind, you wouldn't understand

1. Then why didn't the creator of Scientology do that? Then why didn't the creat of [insert religion here], etc.

2. I kinda would. You are basing your opinions on ignorance.

Originally posted by Alliance
Don't know your World's Most Important Museums?

The Louvre

Hammurabi's code resides there.

Originally posted by Emo?
And what would be the point of lying?

C'mon Emo, this is basic common sense.

Originally posted by RocasAtoll
1. Then why didn't the creator of Scientology do that? Then why didn't the creat of [insert religion here], etc.

2. I kinda would. You are basing your opinions on ignorance.

1. You tell me why he did that. You know people don't believe things without proof, Moses did miracles in the name of god.

2. What makes you think you would understand? 😕

You still haven't told me why Hammurabi made up them rules 😕 do you base all your rules today on what he said?

Originally posted by lord xyz
So people would follow him and do things the way he thinks is right.

C'mon Emo, this is basic common sense.

ofcourse it is common sense, just like Hammurabi 🙄

Ok then, if you really think Moses did those miracles himself... The fact it's in the bible makes no difference either does it? 🙄

Originally posted by Emo?
1. You tell me why he did that. You know people don't believe things without proof, Moses did miracles in the name of god.

2. What makes you think you would understand? 😕

You still haven't told me why Hammurabi made up them rules 😕 do you base all your rules today on what he said?

ofcourse it is common sense, just like Hammurabi 🙄

Ok then, if you really think Moses did those miracles himself... The fact it's in the bible makes no difference either does it? 🙄

1. He did it for power. Like Xyz said, use common sense.

2. Because I jknow people like you; ignorant, unfailing to a false belief.

Hammurabi made laws, because, drumroll,

He wanted order!

Where is it proven Moses actually made miracles?

Moses did not gain anything from the commandments. In fact, he died a desert through his obedience to God, I'm not sure why he would do that of his own volition if he was power bent. Moses was obedient to God and did not enter the Promised Land. Moses never had a position of real power. The Law never really entered full effect until he died and the Jews entered Canaan.

Originally posted by Nellinator
Moses did not gain anything from the commandments. In fact, he died a desert through his obedience to God, I'm not sure why he would do that of his own volition if he was power bent. Moses was obedient to God and did not enter the Promised Land. Moses never had a position of real power. The Law never really entered full effect until he died and the Jews entered Canaan.

Hmmm. Arguably one could say all those cult leaders out there who end up committing mass suicide with their followers isn't about power either.

Such things manifest in many ways and with many results. Question - did Moses have more power/influence/respect doing what he did (wandering in the desert) then he would have if he had continued doing what he did before the bush incident? Or if he had been a slave of Egypt?

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Hmmm. Arguably one could say all those cult leaders out there who end up committing mass suicide with their followers isn't about power either.

Such things manifest in many ways and with many results. Question - did Moses have more power/influence/respect doing what he did (wandering in the desert) then he would have if he had continued doing what he did before the bush incident? Or if he had been a slave of Egypt?

Originally posted by Nellinator
Moses is one of my favourite Biblical characters because he is a model of what God wants us to be like. Humble, kind, disciplined, and faithful (to God).

Why does God need anything from us? "He" is supposedly infinite and complete. Human Beings need eachother, God needs nothing from us if he is truly all powerful.

His desire to be worshipped is pathetic and superficial at best

Originally posted by Impediment
Do christians really love their god? or just what he has to offer? Think about it........You dont love your parents simply because of what they have to offer do you? Of course not. But If the christian god really did exist (this is me speaking as an atheist) and appeared and said that there is no reward of eternal blissful afterlife in heaven for worshipping him, i guarantee that the bible would be as popular as reruns of the gong show. 😄

I'd say we damned well better be grateful to God, and therefore must love him. What God has to offer is a reward to those who are faithful and listen to him, just as a parent rewards an obedient child, and punishes a disobedient one.

Originally posted by RocasAtoll
1. He did it for power. Like Xyz said, use common sense.

2. Because I jknow people like you; ignorant, unfailing to a false belief.

Hammurabi made laws, because, drumroll,

He wanted order!

Where is it proven Moses actually made miracles?

1. Hammurabi sense(i've made up a new word! XD) 🙄 So you're saying that morale by a mere mortal is right?

2. Nono, you don't know people like me, firstly i haven't actually met you, secondly that's your point of view, no facts involved.

Wait, now i'm hearing an atheist say that he WANTS order? boy, and i thought atheists called christians hypocrites 🙄

So now your backfiring on yourself, your saying there was a moses who didn't do miracles, but there isn't even a book that says that. so, if you're saying he didn't do the miracles, how did he save the people who saw them?

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Why does God need anything from us? "He" is supposedly infinite and complete. Human Beings need eachother, God needs nothing from us if he is truly all powerful.

His desire to be worshipped is pathetic and superficial at best

Heh..Heh..Heh...I don't think God is the "superficial" one my friend. But rather - it is thy own understanding of the nature of God, that can be appropriately categorized as "superficial."("nature" of course meaning character, some might also define this to mean his personality.)

Question - Does God truly live in you Urizen? You stated that "Love"(or "Christ" as you put it) was inside of you in the other thread where we had a similar discussion.

Which brings me to another question(as it did in the other thread) - What is the "Love" inside of you made up of? For the sake of this argument, let us once again come to a concordance with the assertion -- that everything that comprises "Love", cannot truly be fathomed(understood) by beings with "limited intellect" like ourselves. However, as I mentioned in the previous thread - using the "limited intellects" that God(Love) has given to us humans -- we can only come up with a "limited definition" of what "Love"(God) is. (angels/demons fall into this "limited intellect" category as well, as they are also created beings.)

Using this "limited knowledge" that has been given to us -- Love(God) has "defined" himself as being patient, kind, selfless, humble, righteous, gracious -- among many other wonderful things, it would take me more than one thousand lifetimes to list them all.(For those of you who want a more complete biblical definition, go to google and type in "1 Corinthians 13: 1-13"😉

And once again, using that same "limited knowledge", one is able to surmise what God(Love) is not. I feel no need to go into a description about the "not" part, since even those with the tiniest bit of knowledge of the English language -- should be able to comprehend it being antonymous with the prior "definitions" I've listed above.

Does thou understand where I'm going with this? Perhaps you do not - so let me once again extrapolate.

If one goes back to your intial argument of God's desire of "worship" being "pathetic" -- they could then come up with an answer to the question "Does God truly live in you Urizen?"

Let me further explain.."Love" is about cherishing the one you are in love with, and having them cherish you back, however, it does not become any less "loving" or any more "superficial" -- when others do not freely attempt to cherish it.

If you have difficulty understanding such a simple concept, then it indeed grieves me to say -- that "Love" is no longer present within you Urizen.

As always, good day to you sir. God bless.

Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
Heh..Heh..Heh...I don't think God is the "superficial" one my friend. But rather - it is thy own understanding of the nature of God, that can be appropriately categorized as "superficial."("nature" of course meaning character, some might also define this to mean his personality.)

A Fair claim. I do not see any reason to denounce it. But after reading my previous statement, can you sincerely blame me for not thinking your God is rather superficial? Read my last post again, and then answer once more.

Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
Question - Does God truly live in you Urizen? You stated that "Love"(or "Christ" as you put it) was inside of you in the other thread where we had a similar discussion.

If God or Christ truly are the embodyments of Love, then we all possess that God yes. Whether we are aware of it or not. Those who are full of Hatred (which includes Christians and Athiests alike) do not tap into that "God" inside them.

That is a theory based on the possibility that Jesus may be Love embodied. I do not claim it as fact, and I think we discussed this before.

Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
Which brings me to another question(as it did in the other thread) - What is the "Love" inside of you made up of? For the sake of this argument, let us once again come to a concordance with the assertion -- that everything that comprises "Love", cannot truly be fathomed(understood) by beings with "limited intellect" like ourselves.

Can you truly define the essense of Hate? And i mean really, not just "oh, hate is the spirit of satan".....

Just because we cannot fully grasp or recognize something does not mean it doesn't exist or we don't have it.

Can you fully define your mind ? You know you have one, but what exactly is your mind ?

Likewise, I beleive we all individualize this force known as Love. My version of Love differs from your version of Love, but we are both correct.

We take this force we inherit, and make it our own.

"My Love is based on existance for its own sake. It is based on unity, understanding, empathy, compassion, forgiveness, and other aspects I deem as beneficial.

I beleive that Love should be unconditional. There should not be a price for love, and if there is a price, then it is not true love (atleast not by my beliefs). Love does not envy, it does not judge, it does not discriminate, it does not blackmail, it attempts to disconnect itself from all hatred and ignorance.

I beleive that your version of Love is based on a desire to save people from what you deem "damnation". You truly beleive that those who do not worship your God are going to end up in Hell for all eternity, and you do not want that for them.

That is a very honorable and compassionate desire you have, to "save us" and I deem that your Love, which is no lesser or greater than my own.

But likewise, i beleive that Hell and your religion are based on myths borrowed from ancient mythologies. Love cannot produce Hell. A truly loving God would not create a place of eternal torment for those who do not obey him...that is sadistic, controlling, and evil.

Would you allow a child molestor anywhere near your children? To even talk to your children? So why would God allow Satan to tempt us...to test us ? Why would God allow a wolf to walk among his sheep ? Why would he let a dangerous creature like the devil anywhere near his creations ?

If God truly loves us, he would let Satan no where near us, and there would be no problem (according to the myth). It seems as though God only loves us if we supply him with absolute blind obedience.

My love is different...it is based on Humanity.....we as human beings deserve love and respect simply for our existance. We need to learn to accept each other's differences, and stop hurting one another.
Animals as well deserve our love, and this world deserves respect.

The Bible states that this Earth is wicked and evil...but it is our world, and we need to take care of it as best we can.

The Earth, Humanity, and lifekind are all we know to be reality...and that comes first...before any thing we do not know to exist.

Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
However, as I mentioned in the previous thread - using the "limited intellects" that God(Love) has given to us humans -- we can only come up with a "limited definition" of what "Love"(God) is. (angels/demons fall into this "limited intellect" category as well, as they are also created beings.)

Your point being ?

Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
Using this "limited knowledge" that has been given to us -- Love(God) has "defined" himself as being patient, kind, selfless, humble, righteous, gracious -- among many other wonderful things, it would take me more than one thousand lifetimes to list them all.(For those of you who want a more complete biblical definition, go to google and type in "1 Corinthians 13: 1-13"😉

You forgot wrathful and jealous...the Bible describes him as that as well. I already stated that I do not beleive Love to contain envy or anger.

And the "Children of God" who happen to speak for him in this country are so stereotypically hateful, closed minded, and judgemental. Are those also characteristics of God ?

Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
And once again, using that same "limited knowledge", one is able to surmise what God(Love) is not. I feel no need to go into a description about the "not" part, since even those with the tiniest bit of knowledge of the English language -- should be able to comprehend it being antonymous with the prior "definitions" I've listed above.

Like I said before...I beleive Love is a force...not a person. By any chance, If I am wrong, and Love is infact a person, then we all contain that person, because we all possess Love in some form.

Do you truly beleive that all Christians are loving? That not one Christian is hateful i.e. Shirley Phelps Roper, Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, etc.

A lot of Athiest and Agnostics also contain Love. And your failure to see that amazes me, and only shows me how closed off you are to the reality that exists outside your imagination.

Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
Does thou understand where I'm going with this? Perhaps you do not - so let me once again extrapolate.

Be my guest.....

Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
If one goes back to your intial argument of God's desire of "worship" being "pathetic" -- they could then come up with an answer to the question "Does God truly live in you Urizen?"

God may not, but Love does. ✅

Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
Let me further explain.."Love" is about cherishing the one you are in love with, and having them cherish you back, however, it does not become any less "loving" or any more "superficial" -- when others do not freely attempt to cherish it.

I happen to agree with you there ✅

But many people who do not beleive in God, cherish their beloved ones. You just proved to me that you already know Love exists outside the beleif in a Christian God.

Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
If you have difficulty understanding such a simple concept, then it indeed grieves me to say -- that "Love" is no longer present within you Urizen.

I assure you Usagi, Love exists in me now, always had, and always will. ✅

Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
As always, good day to you sir. God bless.

Thanks. Take Care.

Originally posted by Nellinator
Moses is one of my favourite Biblical characters because he is a model of what God wants us to be like. Humble, kind, disciplined, and faithful (to God).

You're right! Moses was a perfect example. He was humble, kind, disciplined and faithful. And for his service, god left him to die alone in the desert.

Originally posted by Emo?
1. Hammurabi sense(i've made up a new word! XD) 🙄 So you're saying that morale by a mere mortal is right?

2. Nono, you don't know people like me, firstly i haven't actually met you, secondly that's your point of view, no facts involved.

Wait, now i'm hearing an atheist say that he WANTS order? boy, and i thought atheists called christians hypocrites 🙄

So now your backfiring on yourself, your saying there was a moses who didn't do miracles, but there isn't even a book that says that. so, if you're saying he didn't do the miracles, how did he save the people who saw them?

1. Why isn't it right? Hammurabi went above and beyond what "God" put.

2. Ya, I do know people "like" you. You really don't know how to read, do you?

You're an idiot. Hammurabi wasn't an Atheist.

What the fvck? I said there is no proof Moses committed miracles, just like there's not any proof that the deeds of Hercules were not real.

Yes. I equate it to the unconditional love I have for mi familia.