I know that the Death Star being a problem has been argued. Has the Star Forge? I mean it can make too many ships for ST to counter. It's been mentioned but have any Trekkies argued that it wouldn't be a problem? Have they admitted it would be a giant burden? Or have they just skated around the Star Forge completely?
No, nobody has really countered the Star Forge. That's probably because it would pose a massive problem. The number of ships that that thing can churn out would definitely help SW. If 9 Species 8472 ships were able to make it past the monstrous fleet surrounding the Star Forge (unlikely) they could probably destroy it. I think the best bet is the Krenim weaponship (again). Sorry for the repetition with the Krenim, but it is one of the most powerful weapons in ST that has yet to be countered. Although, I get the feeling that it soon will be.
I know, but I think we've established that without these exotic weapons, ST would lose. But yeah, you're right, it kind of defeats the thread by going over the same thing a million times.
I think that the Borg, Species 8472, and a few others would certainly help. Transphasic torpedoes definitely wouldn't hinder. I think that these combined forces could probably take out the Star Forge provided that they did it quickly enough. However, I don't think that their forces would be very strong after that.
Very funny. The Star Forge is not the only thing SW has going for them. In fact we have many things going for us, other than the Star Forge there is, Death Star, Death Star 2, Dark Saber, Sun Crusher, etc... Our forces would still be very strong after that. We have too many ships than can be counted. No not trillions, more, much more. Our ships out-man, out-gun and out-manuver ST's ships, well our fighters do, anyways.
Originally posted by DarthBanevv
Very funny. The Star Forge is not the only thing SW has going for them. In fact we have many things going for us, other than the Star Forge there is, Death Star, Death Star 2, Dark Saber, Sun Crusher, etc... Our forces would still be very strong after that. We have too many ships than can be counted. No not trillions, more, much more. Our ships out-man, out-gun and out-manuver ST's ships, well our fighters do, anyways.
I suppose I may have missed something in the SW books that I didn't read, but I doubt that SW has trillions of ships. Say they built 1 ship per second. About the only thing that can do that in the SW Universe is the Star Forge, the other shipyards probably take several weeks, maybe even months to build a ship. If you have 5,000,000,000,000 ships, it would take the Star Forge 158,549 years to build them all. I'd say they have somewhere in the mid-billions. However, ST probably only has a few million vessels all told (somebody correct me if I'm wrong), and nearly all of them are smaller than SW ships. SW outnumbers ST about 5,000:1. In order to win, a ship that is ten times smaller than a Star Destroyer would have to be 5,000 more powerful than one.
It seems unlikely that ST would win, but it also seems unlikely that SW has more than trillions of ships. If they had quadrillions of ships, they would need something like 15,855 shipyards producing one ship per second for 10,000 years.
Oh god… so many things to talk about…
Okay… lets take a step backwards and look at this comparison (this is actually really just an excuse for ST).
SW galaxy = Pretty much fully explored and over 10,000 years of history
ST galaxy = Less than 20% explored and only 300 – 400 years of history
Just wanted you to really see how unbalance, unrealistic, and how stupid this comparison is.
This comparison is made by SW fanboys who have small penises and need to feel good about them selves…
This comparison is made by ST fanboys who secretly think Jabba is sexy, have small penises, and need to feel good about them selves…
As I have said before, I like them both, and I stick up for ST cause it’s the underdog and more of a challenge.
Okay… now on to the real issues.
1) Time travel sucks. It’s a ***** move copout and does not make any sense anyways so lets just leave it in the far out fiction section and not touch it.
2) Apples and Oranges… Just like how the other side of the world has a different set of measurements than we do on this side of the world… I think the SW galaxy has a different set of measurements than the ST galaxy does. 1gigawatt does not equal 1 gigawatt. The SW power ratings are SOOOOO far out there that they are unfathomable… I have to believe that the measurements are not the same. I believe that they are proportional to the size of the ship… for example, ST Enterprise D = 1000 tons with power output 1000 gigawatts, SW Stardestroyer = 10,000 tons with power output 10,000 gigawatts… this is a poor example but I think it gets the general idea across. It also still supports a SW Stardestroyer being far more powerful than the ST Enterprise D but does not support the idea that a small two man ship like Slave1 has enough firepower to take out Enterprise. Now I know that all the SW people are going to throw their arms up and say “You cant just change the rules like that” but its just my opinion. Apples and Oranges.
3) The Star Forge… There really is no technological comparison in the ST galaxy that can match this… but then again, I don’t know much about the Star Forge except for what I have heard here. So I really cant say that for sure… but I am pretty sure…
4) All the other big ships of SW… Death Star, Death Star 2, Dark Saber, Sun Crusher, etc... basically all the planet killers… Well I am sorry to say but ST has plenty of “planet killers” as well… The Planet Eater from TOS, the Xindi weapon, Species 8xxx (I never remember the number) just to name a few. We have our share…
5) Force Users vs ST… I have been going through watching all the ST episodes cause I happen to like them… I have lost count of the number of beings that are encountered that have force like powers and often display greater power potential than the average force user of SW. One example is the Ocampa from the Voyager series… an untrained Ocampa has the mental abilities to boil a persons blood, or suck the life out of living objects… and that’s just an untrained person. So while they are not the main focus of the story as the Jedi are in SW… there are plenty of “powerful” beings in the ST galaxy.
So who would win… who knows… SW boasts that they have superior numbers… okay, so you do. Lots of them are more powerful than the average ship in ST. But when you look at everything… minus time travel (cause its stupid) and Q, I don’t think ST would be pwnd or owned. Being owned is like the San Antonio Spurs winning a game against the Lakers and the score is 257 to 12… that’s being owned. Winning a battle or a war is more like 112 to 102… its still a win… but not being owned. So yeah… I think that SW would probably win… maybe… but then again, the ST galaxy is famous for getting out of worse situations…
Just my opinion…
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
If you're trying to say Star Wars happened in the past and Star Trek in the future, you've got your wires crossed. They're both set in the future.
Star Wars is set in the future??? You mean looking at the this for 30 years....
this little statement says that this story takes place years from now, and not in the past?????
Originally posted by jedi2187
Star Wars is set in the future??? You mean looking at the this for 30 years....this little statement says that this story takes place years from now, and not in the past?????
Originally posted by DarkLord_981In Rogue planet Zonama Sekot had enough ships to almost match the Trade Federation ships that were invading. That's a couple hundred ships. Now if most planets have a couple hundred ships, then think of how many there would be going back thousands of years ago. Now the Sith fleet from KotOR had the Star Forge at their disposal. Think of how many ships it made in the time Revan got it running to when Revan defeated Malak. Now if you think of all the ships that have been made in thousands of years it really gets you thinking, did they only have a billion ships made in the thousands of years of that galaxy? My conclusion is yes of course they did. Jedi have starfighters, most do anyways. And in those thousands of years how many Jedi have there been? They're passed a billion ships, for sure.
I suppose I may have missed something in the SW books that I didn't read, but I doubt that SW has trillions of ships. Say they built 1 ship per second. About the only thing that can do that in the SW Universe is the Star Forge, the other shipyards probably take several weeks, maybe even months to build a ship. If you have 5,000,000,000,000 ships, it would take the Star Forge 158,549 years to build them all. I'd say they have somewhere in the mid-billions. However, ST probably only has a few million vessels all told (somebody correct me if I'm wrong), and nearly all of them are smaller than SW ships. SW outnumbers ST about 5,000:1. In order to win, a ship that is ten times smaller than a Star Destroyer would have to be 5,000 more powerful than one.It seems unlikely that ST would win, but it also seems unlikely that SW has more than trillions of ships. If they had quadrillions of ships, they would need something like 15,855 shipyards producing one ship per second for 10,000 years.
Yeah, I'm sure they're well past a billion, after all, they've had at least 10,000 years to build ships. I just meant I didn't think that they would have a trillion or a quadrillion ships. When I said mid-billions, I meant maybe around 10-100 billion ships, which seems to be a fairly reasonable number for the SW Universe.