DarkLord_981
Destroyer of Worlds
Originally posted by JaehSkywalker
^agreed about sw pwning st, but i don't know what is msg... what is that?
MSG is monosodium glutamate... Just kidding!
I've only ever watched a few of the Next Generation episodes, so I've never seen anything about alternate realities and timelines. All the time travel that I've seen in Voyager seemed to indicate that what happened in the past affected their own present and future. This is mostly with the 29th Century vessels from "Relativity" and "Future's End."
As well, ST still has the Krenim Weaponship as one of its time weapons. In the episode "Year of Hell," one of the characters nearly destroyed over 8,000 civilizations by eliminating an unguarded comet from the timeline. Because those civilizations never existed, no one would realize that they were gone, and they wouldn't see the need to hunt down the ones responsible. The Krenim ship existed outside of normal spacetime, so it wouldn't be effected by lasers, phasers, torpedoes, missiles, ramming, the Death Star, black holes, etcetera. It does travel even slower than your run of the mill ST snail ships, but the crew can live forever without aging.
Originally posted by Wesker
Actually, I countered time travel pages ago. Time travel in ST creates alternate universes or at least merges into them. The very fact that at one point the Enterprise existed in a time when it would have been destroyed illustrates this well: if it were just one time zone, nothing could ever be altered and even the idea of going back in time would just be to facillitate the future as it was Also, there was the episode where several ST universes came together at once. So time travel would NOT benefit all of ST in this match, especially since all of ST wouldn't be able to just leap into time, and assuming that they all did, it would be a separate universe. That's an effective self-ring-out.And without time travel (Which isn't feasible anyways), ST would be destroyed. At tops, ST has had combined fleets of Federation and allies perhaps numbering in the high hundreds to a few thousand. Just Imperial Star Destroyers number in the range of 25,000 +, but it would only take a handful to effective dominate Federation space without so much as a messy loss of battle. Likewise, SW has been using hyperspace travel and space ships for thousands of years, while ST has barely had a few centuries. If we take this thread to include ALL forces from past to current, SW just overwhelms them was billions of ships. ST has absolutely nothing to compare to this, and when it comes to actual land troops, the CIS or even the small Grand Army of the Republic (Numbering at a measely three mil.) can curbstomp just about any and all ST land forces.
Of course it isn't feasible. No one said it was. If we're going to get rid of all the technologies that aren't feasible, ST and SW would be reduced to a few planets and a handful of derelict ships that can only travel at sub-light speeds for maybe 100 astronomical units before running out of fuel. I think someone said that the Borg have in excess of 100,000 vessels with the capability of traveling across the galaxy in minutes. However, SW still overwhelms ST with sheer numbers.
Originally posted by Wesker
Actually, the fact that the "alternate timelines" met up at a certain point implies that different universes exist or realities, if you really prefer I be strict with terms. Also, there's nothing to assume that the ST universe would be able to launch a back-in-time offensive worthy of note even if they could. Look at First Contact- the Borg totally dropped the ball and went back to a time with guns, only a few centuries before their own time. Assuming that they -could- go back in time with any degree of accuracy (And also assuming that they manage to arrive at a time when SW is effectively helpless, like forty billion years before the Battle of Yavin) and with a force capable of doing the job in under a thousand years (Given the vastness of explored SW space and the slowness of the ST warp drive) all this presupposing that they have the ability and the knowledge... oh, and just to blow up a few primitives. Woot, Star Trek.But I do love the one-trick pony type Trekkie mentality.
The one-trick pony mentality? Without these, you're probably right, a single Star Destroyer would sweep through the entire ST galaxy and destroy them all. Because ST is a TV show, nearly every episode they introduce something new. 97% of the alien races, ships, and technologies would be gone. But, all of these things were on the TV show, so they are canon.