All Of Star Trek Vs All Of Star Wars

According to Wikipedia Michio Kaku has a PHD.

So do I....Apparently I know a lot more about Star Wars than he does though otherwise he wouldn't claim they were type 3.

That's faulty logic you're using here. You're trying to make the "smaller is better" argument, yet clearly both sides are inconsistent in that.

If you're not a sock of HWKA then I'll be amazed because you're clearly as stupid as he was....My argument has nothing to do with "smaller is better"...You argued that the sun crusher can make a star go supernova and destroy a system...It is one of SW's most technologically advanced superweapons yet a single man in ST can build a missle out of spare parts and some stolen trilithium that does exactly the same thing as the sun crusher...So no....size has nothing to do with my argument at all.

Yes, and elaborate.

What's to elaborate....THEY HAVE AN ENTIRE UNIVERSE TO THEMSELVES...there's going to be quite a few of them given that there were enough of them close enough to the dimensional rifts that they could come through at a rate of about 1 every 2 seconds.

Even an Acclamator would be a match for the entire Federation fleet combined (not kidding).

lulz...Just no.

Except that said transwarp wasn't massed produced by any Star Trek civilization other than the borg and species 8472.

Despite the fact that I just gave you two other examples of them being so.

You've brought evidence showing the speed of the borg's transwarp, but not that of other Star Trek civilizations.

See above.

www.stardestroyer.net (aka the premier site for most pro Star Wars debaters wink) shows a quote from Data that talks about the Enterprise generating a certain number of billions of gigawatts "per second", yet an imperial star destroyer has the power generation in the quadrillions of gigawatts. Later, more advanced star destroyers have even more power generation capabilities.

Episode name...and again....If you're going to quote tech manuals you actually have to give quotes from those manuals...Not from a biased website.

Yet the sun crusher is even smaller than 8 species 8472 bioships and is MORE powerful.

Soran's missle again?....Or how about a Borg multi kinetic nuetronic mine which can destroy an area thousands of times larger than a star system. (4 light years across....which is about the same distance between earth and alpha centauri)

WTF? Are you suggesting that all technology works using frequency technology?

I never suggested anything...I asked you a question...Answer it and stop avoiding backing up your argument.

And how does that make it harder to adapt to them?

Because their technology had the same immune system that completely destroyed Borg assimilation nano probes and they were also completely immune to Borg scanners.

A photon torpedo from the Enterprise has the theoretical yield of 64 megatons if there's 100% efficiency (which there wouldn't be; 100% efficiency is a scienfitic impossibility based on what we know) according to the TM. Before you say "omg it's not canon!", note that this is actually one of the HIGHEST firepower figures given.

So your argument consists of pitting a Star Destroyer's (SW most powerful vessel) most powerful gun batteries against the enterprise D (a science vessel) photon torpedo (the weakest of all Federation weapons) and use this as an all encompassing example of SW vs ST weapon powers.

Again...I'll ask...Can 8 star destroyers completely destroy a planet? or would it take...and I quote..."1000 Star destroyers with more firepower...."

Isn't there a quote that says that the CIS forces (ships or troops? Can't remember) number in the trillions? That plus everything else, plus Naga Sadows ability to just conjure up limitless armies whenever he wants plus infinate capital ships from the Star Forge means Star Wars probably wins via sheer weight of numbers. Not to mention Palpatine taking out entire fleets by himself, Nihilus wiping out fleets and planets by himself, Naga Sadow taking out star systems by himself etc etc means a curbstomp imo.

Except that none of those things would be even remotely effective against the Kremin time ship.

Star Trek is very inconsistent when it comes to range. Sometimes they battle at ranges of hundreds of thousands of miles, but then other times they have to move within a few hundred meters to hit a borg cube - and a borg cube isn't exactly a hard to hit target.

And SW isn't....SD's supposedly have huge ranges (according to the pro SW debators) yet their ships regularly line up along side each other like old style galleons and blast each other with everything they have and yet only cause small explosions in unshielded hangers and gun decks.

Jaden101 accidentally destroyed his own argument when he admitted that the borg rely on adapting to frequencies (which Star Wars weapons don't use) to adapt to weapons.

Except that I've done nothing of the sort...So well done for using a strawman...I've shown that the Borg usual several methods for adapting to technology and weapons.

Nice try...You lose.

Except that none of those things would be even remotely effective against the Kremin time ship.

I have no idea what that is but I'm interested to know why you think its going to solo potentially unlimited forces.

It exists outside of normal space and time...This makes it completely immune to weapons or any external forces at all. It also makes the crew effectively immortal as the passing of time doesn't affect them at all.

It's primary temporal weapon, when fired on a planet, can destroy the civilisation that lived on it by erasing it entirely from ever having existed. This then causes a chain reaction throughout the universe that means that any person who was ever born on the affected planet and every technological advancement that anyone from that planet (and so every subsequent development from that invention) ever created are simply erased from history entirely.

The only way the Krenim ship was destroyed in Voyager is because the crew got tired of living the way they were and shut down the temporal core themselves which made the ship then reappear in normal space-time and so made it vulnerable to attack.

I'm pretty sure that counts as the same kind of retarded unbeatable shit that everyone just ignores in these threads like Q and the SW equivilant. In fact, I think that things that simply can't lose are against forum rules.

Originally posted by KMCmember
Clearly you cannot be bothered to actually refute my arguments using (gasp!) logical reasoning.

I used mathematical and scientific calculations to prove my side. You used a picture of a facepalm to "prove" yours.

well since you have already been here once before and have stated the same stuff there is no need for me to.. besides jaden is doing one helluva job proving you wrong

A photon torpedo from the Enterprise has the theoretical yield of 64 megatons if there's 100% efficiency (which there wouldn't be; 100% efficiency is a scienfitic impossibility based on what we know) according to the TM. Before you say "omg it's not canon!", note that this is actually one of the HIGHEST firepower figures given.

It's highly amusing that you talk about a photon torpedo as if it is a standard weapon with one use and one type of warhead.

Let's just look at some of the things that a photon torpedo has done in star trek.

You state that a photon torpedo has a yield of 64 megatons. This is for a photon torpedo from the OS that used an deuterium/antideuterium reaction with a payload of 1.5kg...

Here's a lovely quote about a type 2 photon torpedo only. (they go up to a type 10)

The second type, at maximum yield, achieves the level of destructive force of an antimatter pod rupture. Antimatter is stored as liquid or slush on starships. (pg. 69) Density of mere liquid antideuterium is around 160 kilograms per cubic meter. According to this comparison the high annihilation rate energy release would be comparable to about 690 gigatons.

Class 6 torpedoes have a stated of range of 8,000,000 km.

They could be fitted with phase discriminators which would make them exist outside of normal time thus could pass through shields as if they weren't there.

Now all this is before we even get to the more powerful quantum torpedoes developed for use against the Borg...and they are even less powerful than the transphasic torpedoes.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I'm pretty sure that counts as the same kind of retarded unbeatable shit that everyone just ignores in these threads like Q and the SW equivilant. In fact, I think that things that simply can't lose are against forum rules.

So basically ST gets gimped until it does lose because this is a SW forum and so they're not allowed to lose?

Go back and dissect your own quote and them think about it for a few minutes.

Isn't there a quote that says that the CIS forces (ships or troops? Can't remember) number in the trillions? That plus everything else, plus Naga Sadows ability to just conjure up limitless armies whenever he wants plus infinate capital ships from the Star Forge means Star Wars probably wins via sheer weight of numbers. Not to mention Palpatine taking out entire fleets by himself, Nihilus wiping out fleets and planets by himself, Naga Sadow taking out star systems by himself etc etc means a curbstomp imo.

How can you make an infinite number of ships from a finite amout of mass from a star/galaxy?

Surely some of what you are saying, if true, would come under your own argument of being unbeatable and therefor against forum rules?

I'm happy to stick to the rule that the likes of Q and the Douwd are ruled out because they are basically Gods...Kevin Uxbridge of the Douwd simple "thought" and entire species out of existence and was able to recreate them (or at least mimic their ships and power) to try and scare off the Enterprise.

But to rule out a tech based species from the debate simply because SW can't counter it is outright gimping.

So basically ST gets gimped until it does lose because this is a SW forum and so they're not allowed to lose?

No, its just that when one side can't lose it defeats the point of the entire debate, which in turns defeats the point of this being a debating forum. QED.

How can you make an infinite number of ships from a finite amout of mass from a star/galaxy?

I was using hyperbole obviously.

Surely some of what you are saying, if true, would come under your own argument of being unbeatable and therefor against forum rules?

No, becuase the Star Forge itself can be destroyed or eliminated, as it was in KOTOR, just as Naga Sadow himself can be taken out to avoid his solid illusionary abilities.

I'm happy to stick to the rule that the likes of Q and the Douwd are ruled out because they are basically Gods...Kevin Uxbridge of the Douwd simple "thought" and entire species out of existence and was able to recreate them (or at least mimic their ships and power) to try and scare off the Enterprise.

But to rule out a tech based species from the debate simply because SW can't counter it is outright gimping.

No, its eliminating an unbeatable aspect of one side. In your own words, 'It exists outside of normal space and time...This makes it completely immune to weapons or any external forces at all. It also makes the crew effectively immortal as the passing of time doesn't affect them at all.' How the **** is anything beyond an omnipotent force supposed to fight something that cannot be attacked or affected at all by anything? I can't even wrap my mind around the sheer brokenness of being outside of time and space in a literal sense.

So no, that thing is retarded and it would be retarded to even consider debating with it on the table.

No, its just that when one side can't lose it defeats the point of the entire debate, which in turns defeats the point of this being a debating forum. QED.

Surely the whole point is to have an honest and outright winner. If something in either canon makes this inevitable then that's simply the way it is. The point of this thread was to have all of SW pitted against all of ST without Q (and extrapolated from that, no other omnipotent beings)

Based on that premise then ST wins through certain tech that I've mentioned. These techs get brought in to the debate to show people who might not have known they existed in either SW or ST. If some of these aspects change someone's mind about who wins then so be it.

I'll fully admit to not knowing everything about SW EU weapons and feats but if someone brings something to the debate then I'll either address it or admit it's potential effectiveness. I won't simply say "It's not allowed because there's no counter for it".

I can't even wrap my mind around the sheer brokenness of being outside of time and space in a literal sense.

Which is partly my point in that SW hasn't even approached the types of technology that have been shown in ST...Time travel, temporal weapons, phased weapons. The list goes on.

Surely the whole point is to have an honest and outright winner. If something in either canon makes this inevitable then that's simply the way it is. The point of this thread was to have all of SW pitted against all of ST without Q (and extrapolated from that, no other omnipotent beings)

And why were Q and other omnipotents banned? Becuase they make things stupid, unbalanced and ruin the whole point about having a debate about it. Seriously, theres no point in the thread if someone can just go 'Kremin Time ship' and thats that, the threads over.

And as I've said, I think unbeatable stuff is against the rules anyway, so its not even me you should be arguing this with, its the mods.

Which is partly my point in that SW hasn't even approached the types of technology that have been shown in ST...Time travel, temporal weapons, phased weapons. The list goes on.

In my opinion that still doesn't prove that, becuase SW is superior in almost every other aspect tech-wise and shit that exists outside of space and time is so far beyond anything that they regularly show that I'd just write it off as an anomally. Its like if Robocop started rewriting reality. All it proves imo is that the Trek writers smoke way too much crack.

Originally posted by jaden101
So do I....Apparently I know a lot more about Star Wars than he does though otherwise he wouldn't claim they were type 3.

Well he did, and getting a PHD isn't easy.

If you're not a sock of HWKA then I'll be amazed because you're clearly as stupid as he was....My argument has nothing to do with "smaller is better"...You argued that the sun crusher can make a star go supernova and destroy a system...It is one of SW's most technologically advanced superweapons yet a single man in ST can build a missle out of spare parts and some stolen trilithium that does exactly the same thing as the sun crusher...So no....size has nothing to do with my argument at all.

Then why did you make the claim that 8 bioships are smaller than a star destroyer and use that as evidence for your side?

What's to elaborate....THEY HAVE AN ENTIRE UNIVERSE TO THEMSELVES...there's going to be quite a few of them given that there were enough of them close enough to the dimensional rifts that they could come through at a rate of about 1 every 2 seconds.

What if there aren't any aliens in this universe (highly unlikely though) and the Christian fundamentalists (no offense at all to Christianity) were right? Does that suddenly magically make us more powerful? Since when does having the entire universe to oneself make that species more powerful?

lulz...Just no.

As I have proven, the Enterprise would have to launch over one billion photon torpedos to get past the shields of a star destroyer.

An acclamator also has more power generation than the entire Federation fleet, Romulan Fleet and Klingon fleet combined.

EDIT: or maybe not. But an acclamator would have more power generation than the entire Federation fleet combined.

Despite the fact that I just gave you two other examples of them being so.

See above.

Since when did you prove that they were mass produced or that they have the same speed as the borg transwarp?

Episode name...and again....If you're going to quote tech manuals you actually have to give quotes from those manuals...Not from a biased website.

I've read over some of that other thread, and you yourself actually stated it for your argument.

Soran's missle again?....Or how about a Borg multi kinetic nuetronic mine which can destroy an area thousands of times larger than a star system. (4 light years across....which is about the same distance between earth and alpha centauri)

Faulty logic. If your argument of "zomg they made a planet buster while keeping it smaller!" is true, are you suggesting that the borg are more advanced than species 8472 because they made a smaller STAR SYSTEM buster?

I never suggested anything...I asked you a question...Answer it and stop avoiding backing up your argument.

The burden of proof is on you. You revealed that the borg can only adapt to frequency based technology. I am demanding proof (if you have any) that Star Wars uses any sort of frequency based technology.

Because their technology had the same immune system that completely destroyed Borg assimilation nano probes and they were also completely immune to Borg scanners.

Do you have any idea what we're talking about? We're talking about the borg and their supposedly uber ability to adapt to WEAPONS and become supposedly immune to them, not their ability to attack other species with their nano tech.

So your argument consists of pitting a Star Destroyer's (SW most powerful vessel) most powerful gun batteries against the enterprise D (a science vessel) photon torpedo (the weakest of all Federation weapons) and use this as an all encompassing example of SW vs ST weapon powers.

Except that the Enterprise was powerful enough to take on and damage most Star Trek vessels, but as I have proven the Enterprise would have to hit with over 1 billion photon torpedos to get past the shields of a star destroyer.

Again...I'll ask...Can 8 star destroyers completely destroy a planet? or would it take...and I quote..."1000 Star destroyers with more firepower...."

You're being hypocritical. By your logic the borg should have defeated species 8472 because they had a stronger SOLAR SYSTEM buster that was also smaller.

Except that none of those things would be even remotely effective against the Kremin time ship.

The Kremin time ship doesn't affect the timeline in which it's in.

And SW isn't....SD's supposedly have huge ranges (according to the pro SW debators) yet their ships regularly line up along side each other like old style galleons and blast each other with everything they have and yet only cause small explosions in unshielded hangers and gun decks.

That's only when fighting over a strategically significant planet.

Except that I've done nothing of the sort...So well done for using a strawman...I've shown that the Borg usual several methods for adapting to technology and weapons.

Nice try...You lose.

Yet your counter argument for my accusation of you using a no limits fallacy is that the borg simply adapt to frequencies. Since Star Wars doesn't use frequency based weapons, your argument is proven wrong.

Since that way of adapting to tech is proven to be ineffective against Star Wars, you are once again facing the problem of you using the no limits fallacy.

Originally posted by Nephthys
And why were Q and other omnipotents banned? Becuase they make things stupid, unbalanced and ruin the whole point about having a debate about it. Seriously, theres no point in the thread if someone can just go 'Kremin Time ship' and thats that, the threads over.

And as I've said, I think unbeatable stuff is against the rules anyway, so its not even me you should be arguing this with, its the mods.

In my opinion that still doesn't prove that, becuase SW is superior in almost every other aspect tech-wise and shit that exists outside of space and time is so far beyond anything that they regularly show that I'd just write it off as an anomally. Its like if Robocop started rewriting reality. All it proves imo is that the Trek writers smoke way too much crack.

Temporal and phasic weapons and technology are pretty common on ST. Granted, the Krenim weapon is an extreme example of it but there's also transphasic torpedoes, phase discriminator equipped torpedoes,

If you're going to state that SW is superior in tech in almost every other way you have to back it up. I mean, they don't even have 2 of the most basic techs from ST...Transporters and replicators...Not to mention that more adancved forms of those such as the Iconian Gateway or the Sikarian folded space transporter which allowed instant transportation across the entire galaxy/huge distances of 40,000 light years respectively. The Ansata inverter is another example.

Granted SW has some examples of tech that beats ST in terms of scale...For example centerpoint station...But it's effectively a larger and more powerful example of the caretaker's array from ST...So the tech and it's uses are similar to that of ST where as SW hasn't even begun to explore some of the types of tech that ST has in any form be they weaker or more powerful.

Originally posted by jaden101
Temporal and phasic weapons and technology are pretty common on ST. Granted, the Krenim weapon is an extreme example of it but there's also transphasic torpedoes, phase discriminator equipped torpedoes,

If you're going to state that SW is superior in tech in almost every other way you have to back it up. I mean, they don't even have 2 of the most basic techs from ST...Transporters and replicators...Not to mention that more adancved forms of those such as the Iconian Gateway or the Sikarian folded space transporter which allowed instant transportation across the entire galaxy/huge distances of 40,000 light years respectively. The Ansata inverter is another example.

Granted SW has some examples of tech that beats ST in terms of scale...For example centerpoint station...But it's effectively a larger and more powerful example of the caretaker's array from ST...So the tech and it's uses are similar to that of ST where as SW hasn't even begun to explore some of the types of tech that ST has in any form be they weaker or more powerful.

Species 8472 doesn't have transporters either, and yet they're still more advanced than almost every other Star Trek race.

Star Wars's technological advantages:

FAR faster FTL travel except for the borg. This is arguably the most important advantage; by the time a Federation fleet gets to a battle it would already be over.

FAR greater power generation: a single star destroyers has more power generation than the Federation fleet combined.

FAR more powerful weapons: A turbolaser bolt can destroy a galaxy class starship in one hit.

FAR more durable shields: it would take ever one billion photon torpedos from the Enterprise to get past the shields of a star destroyer.

FAR more powerful superweapons: Centerpoint station can create black holes and create star clusters.

Well he did, and getting a PHD isn't easy.

I find it extremely amusing that you're using this argument on me...I'll let someone else tell you why.

Then why did you make the claim that 8 bioships are smaller than a star destroyer and use that as evidence for your side?

I stated their size...I didn't state this was the argument which was clearly their power rather than their size...they're the standard ship of species 8472 and they can destroy planets and there's an entire universe of them to draw upon.

What if there aren't any aliens in this universe (highly unlikely though) and the Christian fundamentalists (no offense at all to Christianity) were right? Does that suddenly magically make us more powerful? Since when does having the entire universe to oneself make that species more powerful?

There's no other species in fluidic space because species 8472 has destroyed them all. This is stated on screen. So comparing them to humans given that we've never even encountered a species from another part of space is the biggest bullshit argument I've ever seen.

As I have proven, the Enterprise would have to launch over one billion photon torpedos to get past the shields of a star destroyer.

Yet I've just totally destroyed your figures and shown that a mark II photon torpedo has a yield of over 600 gigatons. Some 3 times your SW figure.

Faulty logic. If your argument of "zomg they made a planet buster while keeping it smaller!" is true, are you suggesting that the borg are more advanced than species 8472 because they made a smaller STAR SYSTEM buster?

Once again got nothing to do with size....The sun crusher destroys a star system...In other words an area equivalent to our solar system...Why?...Because it's limited in that it can only be deployed in a star system. The multi kinetic neutronic mine can destroy an area 4 light years across...That's the distance from Earth's star system to THE NEXT star system.

So how many times do I have to repeat that it has nothing to do with the size of the weapon?

You revealed that the borg can only adapt to frequency based technology.

I never stated anything of the sort. In fact I've given several ways in which the borg adapt to and assimilate technology that have nothing to do with frequency. Assimilating a person with knowledge of enemy systems and weapons and using their knowledge to adapt their own vessels. Simply scanning and adapting. transporting drones aboard enemy ships to gather information, using nanoprobes to assimilate technology directly.

Do you have any idea what we're talking about? We're talking about the borg and their supposedly uber ability to adapt to WEAPONS and become supposedly immune to them, not their ability to attack other species with their nano tech.

Evidently you're the one who has no idea what we're talking about because you asked how the Borg adapt to technology and why it didn't work against species 8472 and I showed you that they could neither scan the species 8472 ships or use their nanoprobes to assimilate them. You stating that they use their nanoprobes to ATTACK other species just shows what little clue you have about what you're talking about. Probably best to go any do some research on what you're arguing against before coming back. It'll stop you looking so stupid.

Except that the Enterprise was powerful enough to take on and damage most Star Trek vessels, but as I have proven the Enterprise would have to hit with over 1 billion photon torpedos to get past the shields of a star destroyer.

Once again, proven incorrect.

Faulty logic. If your argument of "zomg they made a planet buster while keeping it smaller!" is true, are you suggesting that the borg are more advanced than species 8472 because they made a smaller STAR SYSTEM buster?

Bit obsessed with this whole "size" angle, aren't you?

For your information, though, the Borg were going to use a modified multikinetic neutronic mine against species 8472 but were convinced not to by Janeway because it would destroy innocent species and the Borg needed Voyager's crew (the Dr in particular) to modify the weapons for use against species 8472.

The Kremin time ship doesn't affect the timeline in which it's in.

Hahaha...you have no clue what you're talking about do you?

Is your argument is that because the timeship itself created an alternate timeline in "year of hell" then it isn't effective in the standard timeline?...Well it had to have existed in and been effective in the normal Voyager timeline to have created an alternate timeline in the first place.

Besides, if you want to get technical, the timeship doesn't exist in any timeline because it exists outside of space and time. Does this mean its weapon isn't effective?....Obviously not because you see it on screen wiping a planet and species from existing.

That's only when fighting over a strategically significant planet.

That's every on screen example we've seen of SW ships fighting...

Yet your counter argument for my accusation of you using a no limits fallacy is that the borg simply adapt to frequencies. Since Star Wars doesn't use frequency based weapons, your argument is proven wrong.

How can I possibly be using a no limits fallacy when I'm the one that actually brought up the limits of the Borg's adaptations. I simply stated that SW doesn't have anything equivalent to species 8472 and that the Borg have adapted to everything else thrown at them. They were even shown adapting to future technologies within a few minutes of scanning and analysing them.

In fact the only species they didn't adapt to are ones they deemed unworthy of assimilation and therefor didn't even try to adapt to them (The Kazon, for example).

And again, I've repeatedly stated and proven that the Borg don't only adapt by analysing frequencies...Your parrot like repetition of this point doesn't only make you look stupid, it is EXACTLY THE SAME type of argument that HWKA used and is yet another bit of proof that you're a sock of him and will be getting banned soon.

Species 8472 doesn't have transporters either, and yet they're still more advanced than almost every other Star Trek race.

So you're comparing every SW species to 8472 now?...Think you'll lose that argument.

FAR faster FTL travel except for the borg. This is arguably the most important advantage; by the time a Federation fleet gets to a battle it would already be over.

Squawk...Squawk....

Already shown other species with transwarp capabilities that outmatch hyperdrive...Already shown transporters with instant travel across the galaxy...Haven't even begun to bring up the fact that a Federation ship has actually achieved infinite warp and existed everywhere in the universe at 1 instant.

FAR more powerful weapons: A turbolaser bolt can destroy a galaxy class starship in one hit.

Yet a point blank turbolaser shot against an unshielded gun battery in the battle of Corascant only managed to to flip over a gun battery and throw a few troops a few feet across the room.

FAR more durable shields: it would take ever one billion photon torpedos from the Enterprise to get past the shields of a star destroyer.

Yet I've just proven your figures about photon torpedoes completely wrong. Yet you still repeat them and still claim that you're not HWKA.

FAR more powerful superweapons: Centerpoint station can create black holes and create star clusters.

1 blob of red matter can create a black hole...Not a superweapon...Your move.

I'm typing on an iPod touch, so it's hard to quote and respond. I'll counter your main points:

If your argument about superweapons isn't on their size but their tactical and strategic capabilities, then Star Wars wins in that category. The galaxy gun an Centerpoint Station both have an effective range of the entire galaxy. Therefore, they can destroy Star Trek planets from accross the galaxy and Star Trek won't be able to do anything about it. In contrast, Star Wars can stop Star Trek's superweapons by destroying them as they approach the planet.

As to the 600 gigatons claim, where did you get that quote.

As to the weapons ranges, Star Wars space battles are usually accross thousands of miles except for sometimes when invading a planet or some other scenarios.

As to FTL speeds, you still haven't proven that any species other than the borg and species 872 have mass produced (not simply have a few prototypes) transwarp that is faster than hyperdrive (which has a larger operational range).

The Federation didn't mass produce transwarp.

A huge Star Wars fleet could ambush Earth, render it uninhabitable or destroy Earth's military based resources if the commander is more humane, and go back to their base while any major Star Trek reinforcements would take weeks to get there, by which time the Star Wars fleet would already be back at their base.

In contrast, a Federation fleet wouldn't even have enough warp fuel or supplies to get past the Star Wars galaxy's outer rim, and even if they did it would take several years, by which time the war would likely already be over.

@the other response:

Are you purposely using strawmans? I wasn't comparing Star Wars to species 8472. I was showing an example proving that one civilization can be more advanced than another even if the other civilization has a few ares in which they are more advanced.

Abou red matter, that device took a long time to prepare and needed to be drilled into Vulcan. In that time a star destroyer or even a ground based Star Wars weapons platform could simply destroy the drill or simply the ship itself, which was designed to take 32 megaton weapons, not 200 gigatons weapons.

If your argument about superweapons isn't on their size but their tactical and strategic capabilities, then Star Wars wins in that category. The galaxy gun an Centerpoint Station both have an effective range of the entire galaxy. Therefore, they can destroy Star Trek planets from accross the galaxy and Star Trek won't be able to do anything about it. In contrast, Star Wars can stop Star Trek's superweapons by destroying them as they approach the planet.

So how would you counter pushing a Borg multi kinetic neutronic mine through the Iconian gateway which is instant travel to anywhere in the galaxy?

How does SW stop the Krenim timeship when I've proven that it can't be by any weapons that SW has?

The rest I'll address later as it's after 3am here and I have work in the morning.

Originally posted by KMCmember
@the other response:

Are you purposely using strawmans? I wasn't comparing Star Wars to species 8472. I was showing an example proving that one civilization can be more advanced than another even if the other civilization has a few ares in which they are more advanced.

Abou red matter, that device took a long time to prepare and needed to be drilled into Vulcan. In that time a star destroyer or even a ground based Star Wars weapons platform could simply destroy the drill or simply the ship itself, which was designed to take 32 megaton weapons, not 200 gigatons weapons.

It didn't "need" to be and wasn't even designed for that purpose. It was used on screen in that way because that was the technology available to Nero (the Narada's mining drill)

It could just as easily be deployed via a transporter (which I always thought was a horrific bit of PIS in the new ST movie as to why they didn't just do that) or via a phased torpedo.

I've also proven your idiotic 32 megaton claim as false. So stop repeating it like some stupid parrot.

Originally posted by jaden101
It didn't "need" to be and wasn't even designed for that purpose. It was used on screen in that way because that was the technology available to Nero (the Narada's mining drill)

It could just as easily be deployed via a transporter (which I always thought was a horrific bit of PIS in the new ST movie as to why they didn't just do that) or via a phased torpedo.

I've also proven your idiotic 32 megaton claim as false. So stop repeating it like some stupid parrot.

Maybe trying to use a transporter to move the red matter would have been dangerous.

Either way, Star Trek superweapons require a deliverance vessels that can be stopped. Many of Star War's superweapons can be fired from accross the galaxy.

If centerpoint station fires at Earth, Earth is screwed. A ship carrying red matter to Coruscant would in contrast have to get past the defending Star Wars fleet and reinforcements.

A centerpoint station attack on Earth would have an almost 100 percent chance of success. A red matter attempt on Earth would have a very small chance of success.