Classic Debate: If a tree falls in the woods...

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Colour doesn't truly exist, technically.

If you look at a white surface then cast a shadow on it, the shadowed area is no longer white. If you have a red, blue and green shirt in a closet, then turn all the lights off, they all become the same colour. Why? Because "colour" is only determined by what kinds of light that surface can take in.

On topic:

No, it doesn't make a sound. It can only become sound if we hear it, that's why it's called sound. If not, it's just random energy existing somewhere.

-AC

yes but that random energy does exist wether we pick it up or not, if there were ears there to experience it the data of that random energy would be converted into sound.

ok imagine this, what if u cud see any color outside the primary colours of light{or their mixtures}, even though its not physically posible, but what if our basic pallete of colours was completely different and we percieved non existing colours compared to the mixtures of red green and blue light. well then wed be discussin if THOSE colours really existed or not, we wudnt even be able to imagine any colors other than the ones we saw{just like we cant imagine ne NEW colour now other than the spectrum and its mixtures} wud that mean that the colours we percieve now as humans dont exist? it really is all down to perception. even things like dimensions and time or even existance are there because we percieve them to be there.

everything that exists exists. Its the limitation of our senses that we can't "see" everything that is already there.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
No, it doesn't make a sound. It can only become sound if we hear it, that's why it's called sound. If not, it's just random energy existing somewhere.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

No, it doesn't make a sound. It can only become sound if we hear it, that's why it's called sound. If not, it's just random energy existing somewhere.

-AC

Are you trying to say that high pitch sounds never existed until we discovered means of hearing it?

but then again a ray is a ray only because u percieve it to be that way, ur image of it depends on ur perception doesnt it. just like in a dream, nothing really exists but that doesnt stop u from thinking its theres.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
but then again a ray is a ray only because u percieve it to be that way, ur image of it depends on ur perception doesnt it. just like in a dream, nothing really exists but that doesnt stop u from thinking its theres.

dave123, everything u know or u think u know depends upon ur perception, even the science of the physical world that u read was just ur perception of what u thought were ink patterns on pages that SEEMED to make sense to u, thas called perception. the whole world or reality that u see or hear or feal is actually an image inside ur head.
{its another classic debate"whats more important the mind or the world"
and id have to say the mind, because thas the only way u actually are able to be on this forum and argue the point of a ray always being a ray.

a dream exists so far as the nutrons firing in your brain what your mind percieves as images. There is a physical reality to a dream. Its the physical chore of whatever your brain does to produce dreams. On the other hand a ray of light is outside of our minds to begin with. It is some form of ebergy, that energy exists as a "ray" no matter if there is any device that will take the data and convert it as what there minds sees it as a "ray" or not. These energies in there forms exist and are all around wether we sense them or not. They are not dependant on us and we do not change them, we only convert them into understandable forms in our minds.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
dave123, everything u know or u think u know depends upon ur perception, even the science of the physical world that u read was just ur perception of what u thought were ink patterns on pages that SEEMED to make sense to u, thas called perception. the whole world or reality that u see or hear or feal is actually an image inside ur head.
{its another classic debate"whats more important the mind or the world"
and id have to say the mind, because thas the only way u actually are able to be on this forum and argue the point of a ray always being a ray.

yes but where exactly did u come up with that brilliant conclusion moviejunkie?
from ur MIND ofcourse, given YOUR perception of things and then depending on YOUR{meaning ur conciousness's} reasoning power{which is made up of expiriences of ur previous perceptions of things}.

U SEE, U CANT BE FREE OF UR MIND, THAS A LIMITATION OF ALL NORMAL HUMANS.

can the birds hear....can the birds and the bees and the deer hear????....and further more how many angels can dance on the head of a pin???

"I'm not arguing with you what a ray or a sound is.... I'm saying that it will exist whether I percieve it or not."

u see thas what UR MIND IS TELLIN YOU.

So what are you trying to say? That if no one can see anything, it doesn't exist?

all im sayin is that u can not be sure of anything, even existance, anything's EXISTNACE itself is questionable cause existnace is just another phenomenon made up by the human mind because of it's ability to percieve.

Originally posted by leonheartmm

u see thas what UR MIND IS TELLIN YOU.

So basically your argument is - nothing in the world existed before humans were there to percive it?

I can think of 100 reasons why that is not only egocentric, but very wrong.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
all im sayin is that u can not be sure of anything, even existance, anything's EXISTNACE itself is questionable cause existnace is just another phenomenon made up by the human mind because of it's ability to percieve.

ahhhhh y do i even bother

You're not bothering.... you're brain only thinks you are 😉 🙄

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