Surfer isn't faster than Flash...But his acceleration is much faster than both of theirs.So yeah, he is faster than both in a way. In a short race, he'd cross the finish line way before either. Now, in a long distance run, Flash owns both.
For the record, i still say Surfer and Thor can take 5.5 outta 10. All it depends on is surfer taking out flash first. and with the way the pc works, he'd probably see Flash's continually rapid moving molecules, and know thats a true speedster. And take him out first. that what this match depends on. And like people always bring up whenever a superman vs Gl thread comes up, a thoughtbased weapon is useless against someone faster than thought. And we know Surfer is way beyond that speed. Theres a definite chance.
Originally posted by UniOmniGiven that GL can move beyond lightspeed, he's obviously faster than thoughtspeed too. 🙂
Surfer isn't faster than Flash...But his acceleration is much faster than both of theirs.So yeah, he is faster than both in a way. In a short race, he'd cross the finish line way before either. Now, in a long distance run, Flash owns both.For the record, i still say Surfer and Thor can take 5.5 outta 10. All it depends on is surfer taking out flash first. and with the way the pc works, he'd probably see Flash's continually rapid moving molecules, and know thats a true speedster. And take him out first. that what this match depends on. And like people always bring up whenever a superman vs Gl thread comes up, a thoughtbased weapon is useless against someone faster than thought. And we know Surfer is way beyond that speed. Theres a definite chance.
Yeah he can. But he has to think to make that happen. And when you're a human, your thoughtspeed is apparently the slowest in the universe, at least in comics.
And honestly, i wonder. But like i said, it all depends on the ko of flash. Without it, it gets a bit harder. But When a teammate can create a blackhole, and potentially blast people into them, it cuts down the numbers immensely. WW, Flash (if hit) and then it gets interesting.
Originally posted by Juntai
Given that GL can move beyond lightspeed, he's obviously faster than thoughtspeed too. 🙂
Contradictive? Maybe, but hey, that's comics./
GL's have heightened biological reflexes?
To move beyond lightspeed, wouldn't he need to think first to initiate the action?(At normal thought speed)
Therefore wouldn't it be:
1.)Speed of thought
+
2.)Speed of Light
Meaning both GL's can be speed blitzed before they get the chance to think. And shouldn't MM, WW, Batman also get speed blitzed since they lack the power of heightened thought?
Meaning the Flash and Supes are left.
Then again I could be wrong, I didn't know GL's had heightened biological reflexes?
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
GL's have heightened biological reflexes?To move beyond lightspeed, wouldn't he need to think first to initiate the action?(At normal thought speed)
Therefore wouldn't it be:
1.)Speed of thought
+
2.)Speed of LightMeaning both GL's can be speed blitzed before they get the chance to think. And shouldn't MM, WW, Batman also get speed blitzed since they lack the power of heightened thought?
Meaning the Flash and Supes are left.
Then again I could be wrong, I didn't know GL's had heightened biological reflexes?
The ring gives heightened biological reflexes. So they don't run into meteors and planets when they're going several hundred times the speed of light.
Seriously, Thor and Surfer are good but for heaven's sake everyone here is underestimating Green Lantern is more than a match for both by himself.
The JLA win.
The ring doen not imbude the wearer with superhuman reflexes, the ring does all the manuverin it's like an automatic reflex . (sorta like and advanced radar or Spiderman's spider scense)
http://www.starnet-database.com/dbase_deo/profiles/green_lantern/gl.html
Green Lanterns are and always have been extremely vunerable to people who can manipulate light and energy. and thats somthing both Thor and Silver Surfer can easily do. GL is taken out easily.
Originally posted by complexbrother
The ring doen not imbude the wearer with superhuman reflexes, the ring does all the manuverin it's like an automatic reflex . (sorta like and advanced radar or Spiderman's spider scense)http://www.starnet-database.com/dbase_deo/profiles/green_lantern/gl.html
Green Lanterns are and always have been extremely vunerable to people who can manipulate light and energy. and thats somthing both Thor and Silver Surfer can easily do. GL is taken out easily.
The site also states Martian Manhunter and Wonder Woman can only lift 70 to 80 tons and can only go at the speed of sound.
The site is wrong and completely inaccurate.
Especially about Martian Manhunter's Martian vision. It's not heat vision. It's a psychokinetic blast...
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
GL's have heightened biological reflexes?To move beyond lightspeed, wouldn't he need to think first to initiate the action?(At normal thought speed)
Therefore wouldn't it be:
1.)Speed of thought
+
2.)Speed of LightMeaning both GL's can be speed blitzed before they get the chance to think. And shouldn't MM, WW, Batman also get speed blitzed since they lack the power of heightened thought?
Meaning the Flash and Supes are left.
Then again I could be wrong, I didn't know GL's had heightened biological reflexes?
You are underestimating Martian Manhunter's thought processing when he's going at super speeds.
Trials of Shazam should be good, but only if they get the different aspects of Billy and Cap down correctly. They aren't the same character.
MM and Marvel's stock will suddenly skyrocket to the top of the upper tier, like Beta Ray Bill's did, and i'll be able to say, MM houses Superman.........Finally!!!
I'd tend to go with the league in this one. Superman vs Thor would seem to me to be a pretty even match-up (meaning that one may eventually win but it's going to take some time to decide the outcome). That leaves the Surfer vs Flash, a GL, Wonder Woman, and Manhunter. Now, while others my disagree, in my mind the Flash and GL would make a damn good matchup against the Surfer. The reason being that
a) the Surfer has shown a susceptibility to being K.O.'ed by physical attacks (see his fights with Thanos) and the Flash has the option of the infinite mass punch.
and
b) a top tier Green Lantern should be able to put up a decent fight against the Surfer as they can match many of his abilities.
Now add in to the mix two Superman-level characters, WW & MM, and I think the group could overpower the Surfer (again this is assuming that Thor and Superman are occupied with each other). It is just hard for me to see him dealing with the Flash's speed and IMPs, the GL's constructs and energy attacks, Wonder Woman's speed, strength, and magical weapons, and Manhunter's speed, strength, and intangibility ALL AT THE SAME TIME.
Once the Surfer is down (and I do think it would take a good bit of time and the lives of a few of the JLA) then the rest can focus on Thor and again I see the numbers being the decideing factor in that fight as well.