Silver Surfer & Thor vs JLA

Started by Juntai80 pages

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Wasn't the Speed Force destroyed? So can he really share it with his team mates?

From kgkg's both GL's don't have heightened thought reflexes meaning, if a Speed Blitz Frenzy came to it, They, Bats, WW, MM and you're right possibly Supes should get knocked out.(Infinite Mass Punch) But Supes' Invunerability is actual Invunerability meaning he should get back up. Therefore the only way Surfer can take him out is by draining his Solar Energy. Leaving the Flash.

Apparently at these forums we ignore personality, Supes doesn't beat up fragile looking women so if you put him up against Aunt May for example we're going to ignore his personality and say he speed blitzes her. Why can't we do the same for the Surfer. Ignore his Personality. He is well able to Fight at very high speeds, if he has heightened biological reflexes.

The Hulk should never have be able to beat a SS fighting to his full potential.
The Hulk should also never be able to beat Wallflower.


We don't ignore personality, read the forum rules again.
🙂

He may speedblitz aunt may, but he's not going to hit her with a planet destorying attack. It's in his personality to move faster than her and subdue her should that need actually arise.

In the end, should Flash decide to share the speedforce, this event doesn't actually take time, and all of the leaguers are then up above Surfer and Thor in actual combat speed. A punch from Supes drops Thor, Surfer is left alone, against 2 GLs and a host of other herald level monsters. If Hulk has the physical strength to put down Surfer, then Superman, and Wonder Woman at the very least likely do as well.

Yes, the speedforce is gone currently, but then Wally isn't Flash either, and there is also no JLA, so I was taking this as before Infinite Crisis.

Current incarnations?
Kyle's in the fight.
He could do it solo since he's now ION and taps both the OA battery AND The Starheart now.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak

But Supes and Flash had to be holding their Speed back, there's no way if written to full potential that those 3 could keep up with the Flash.

If they had only done it once or twice I would be inclined to agree with that. However, they have repeatedly shown that their combat speed, if not their top speed, is enough to at least let them fight Superman or the Flash on a somewhat even plane. While Superman and the Flash are faster than them, they are not so much faster than WW, MM, or a GL cannot cope with it.

Originally posted by Juntai
We don't ignore personality, read the forum rules again.
🙂

He may speedblitz aunt may, but he's not going to hit her with a planet destorying attack. It's in his personality to move faster than her and subdue her should that need actually arise.

"It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality"

That's a bit contradictory don't you think? Fighting to his best ability, would mean using a planet destroying attack. However beating up a women or any women for that matter goes against his code of ethics. Take Jean Grey for Example, it is not in Supermans personality to Speed Blitz a women. However to win the match he has to Speed Blitz her. If he doesn't, Supes will get immobilised by her TK or TP. Also a Speed Blitz will lead to Jean Greys death, and Supes doesn't kill either. So fighting to their best abilities but taking personality into account, would mean Supes wouldn't go for the instant kill he'd try to reason with Surfer and Thor first.(The Same goes for the Flash and vice-versa)

If they had only done it once or twice I would be inclined to agree with that. However, they have repeatedly shown that their combat speed, if not their top speed, is enough to at least let them fight Superman or the Flash on a somewhat even plane. While Superman and the Flash are faster than them, they are not so much faster than WW, MM, or a GL cannot cope with it.

Would that mean that their reaction times would be great enough to dodge a speed blitz from either Supes or the Flash?

Current incarnations?
Kyle's in the fight.
He could do it solo since he's now ION and taps both the OA battery AND The Starheart now

Current Incarnations:
Didn't Kyle give up his omnipotence. I agree that if Kyle got the chance he would take it. However since he gave up his omnipotence does he have a faster reaction time then the Surfer?

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
"It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality"

That's a bit contradictory don't you think? Fighting to his best ability, would mean using a planet destroying attack. However beating up a women or any women for that matter goes against his code of ethics. Take Jean Grey for Example, it is not in Supermans personality to Speed Blitz a women. However to win the match he has to Speed Blitz her. If he doesn't, Supes will get immobilised by her TK or TP. Also a Speed Blitz will lead to Jean Greys death, and Supes doesn't kill either. So fighting to their best abilities but taking personality into account, would mean Supes wouldn't go for the instant kill he'd try to reason with Surfer and Thor first.(The Same goes for the Flash and vice-versa)

Would that mean that their reaction times would be great enough to dodge a speed blitz from either Supes or the Flash?

He wouldn't have to speedblitz or use a planet destroying attack to defeat a telepath. First off, it takes time to mentally attack Superman, he's highly resistant to it. He can also shut off that power by delivering a low intensity concussive blast of heat vision through the pupils and directly to the brain, causing KO or enough of a concussion to where those powers aren't accessible. He HAS done this before.

Fighting to the best of your ability, means going for the win, but in the instance you set up earlier, with Aunt May, he doesn't need to fight to that level, nor does he against many opponents to defeat them. It isn't out of character for Superman to blitz an opponent keep them down for the count. Even without utilizing the hieght of his ability.

Have you ever read a Superman comic before?

When thugs with guns attack someone and he hears it, he runs over, catches the bullets, steals the gun and smashes it, and carries the guy off. He doesn't deliver force enough to lay down Wonder Woman to these people.

I dunno, I see now how flawed your logic is, so it's not much use in debating too much longer until you begin to make more relivent points supporting the characters you're supporting yourself, rather than trying to take down the rules, and all character boundaries.

Current Incarnations:
Didn't Kyle give up his omnipotence. I agree that if Kyle got the chance he would take it. However since he gave up his omnipotence does he have a faster reaction time then the Surfer?

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He did, LAST TIME, YEARS AGO.
But his ION series is going on right now.
An issue came out this week, for example.

Originally posted by Juntai
He wouldn't have to speedblitz or use a planet destroying attack to defeat a telepath. First off, it takes time to mentally attack Superman, he's highly resistant to it. He can also shut off that power by delivering a low intensity concussive blast of heat vision through the pupils and directly to the brain, causing KO or enough of a concussion to where those powers aren't accessible. He HAS done this before.

Fighting to the best of your ability, means going for the win, but in the instance you set up earlier, with Aunt May, he doesn't need to fight to that level, nor does he against many opponents to defeat them. It isn't out of character for Superman to blitz an opponent keep them down for the count. Even without utilizing the hieght of his ability.

Have you ever read a Superman comic before?

When thugs with guns attack someone and he hears it, he runs over, catches the bullets, steals the gun and smashes it, and carries the guy off. He doesn't deliver force enough to lay down Wonder Woman to these people.

I dunno, I see now how flawed your logic is, so it's not much use in debating too much longer until you begin to make more relivent points.

It wasn't meant to offend...sorry about that. I was just making a point that Personality conflicts with Bloodlust. The Aunt May example was a bad example.
How about this, Supes vs Wanda Maximoff, she'll warp reality(consciencely or Subconsciencely) if he doesn't kill her he won't win, does he do it?

Current
Okay then Kyle should take it.

Silver Surfer holds them off until Thor opens a dimiension to Hell and it sucks them in it.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak

Would that mean that their reaction times would be great enough to dodge a speed blitz from either Supes or the Flash?

Dodge completley...I'm not so sure about. But perhaps them being able to defend themselves in some manner isn't too unreasonable. For example when Wonder Woman was taking on a good number of the JLA in a practice session after she became blind, Batman claims that she was actually able to sense the changes in air pressure resulting from the Flash's attacks and thus was able to mount a defense.

Wonder Woman vs JLA while Blind (Wonder Woman #212)
1.http://img140.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img140&image=ww212blindvsjla19qx.jpg
2.http://img140.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img140&image=ww212blindvsjla25js.jpg
3.http://img24.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img24&image=ww212blindvsjla30pe.jpg
4.http://img237.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img237&image=ww212blindvsjla40wv.jpg
5.http://img207.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img207&image=ww212blindvsjla55zh.jpg
6.http://img218.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img218&image=ww212blindvsjla63ll.jpg
7.http://img236.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img236&image=ww212blindvsjla76tq.jpg

and Wonder Woman vs Zoom while blind
1.http://img158.echo.cx/my.php?image=ww2141vszoom0jq.jpg
2.http://img175.echo.cx/my.php?image=ww2142vszoom4wk.jpg
3.http://img252.echo.cx/my.php?image=ww2143vszoom0tp.jpg
4.http://img128.echo.cx/my.php?image=ww2144vszoom4fo.jpg
5.http://img128.echo.cx/my.php?image=ww2145vszoom3ms.jpg
6.http://img168.echo.cx/my.php?image=ww2146vszoom4mz.jpg
7.http://img202.echo.cx/my.php?image=ww2147vszoom5qa.jpg
8.http://img253.echo.cx/my.php?image=ww2148vszoom2wc.jpg
9.http://img234.echo.cx/my.php?image=ww2149vszoom7vu.jpg

***all scans are from the Wonder Woman respect thread and credit goes to dawsey28 for posting them.

Originally posted by TheKahn
Dodge completley...I'm not so sure about. But perhaps them being able to defend themselves in some manner isn't too unreasonable. For example when Wonder Woman was taking on a good number of the JLA in a practice session after she became blind, Batman claims that she was actually able to sense the changes in air pressure resulting from the Flash's attacks and thus was able to mount a defense.

Wonder Woman vs JLA while Blind (Wonder Woman #212)
1.http://img140.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img140&image=ww212blindvsjla19qx.jpg
2.http://img140.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img140&image=ww212blindvsjla25js.jpg
3.http://img24.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img24&image=ww212blindvsjla30pe.jpg
4.http://img237.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img237&image=ww212blindvsjla40wv.jpg
5.http://img207.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img207&image=ww212blindvsjla55zh.jpg
6.http://img218.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img218&image=ww212blindvsjla63ll.jpg
7.http://img236.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img236&image=ww212blindvsjla76tq.jpg

and Wonder Woman vs Zoom while blind
1.http://img158.echo.cx/my.php?image=ww2141vszoom0jq.jpg
2.http://img175.echo.cx/my.php?image=ww2142vszoom4wk.jpg
3.http://img252.echo.cx/my.php?image=ww2143vszoom0tp.jpg
4.http://img128.echo.cx/my.php?image=ww2144vszoom4fo.jpg
5.http://img128.echo.cx/my.php?image=ww2145vszoom3ms.jpg
6.http://img168.echo.cx/my.php?image=ww2146vszoom4mz.jpg
7.http://img202.echo.cx/my.php?image=ww2147vszoom5qa.jpg
8.http://img253.echo.cx/my.php?image=ww2148vszoom2wc.jpg
9.http://img234.echo.cx/my.php?image=ww2149vszoom7vu.jpg

***all scans are from the Wonder Woman respect thread and credit goes to dawsey28 for posting them.

Impressive feat, I guess JLA take it then.

Originally posted by golem370
Silver Surfer holds them off until Thor opens a dimiension to Hell and it sucks them in it.
Surfer would terribly be bogged down by multiple GLS and the rest of the team, even in full fanboy swing. A single GL can fight Surfer fairly, but there's 2, and a few other herald level beings here. Do you think he could fight off 2 Gl's, while being attacked by a high end telepath, and Wonder Woman, Flash? I don't think he can multitask quite that well.

Superman just KOs Thor... again. Then helps the rest of the team.
lol.

It seems that Thor is being underrated in this thread so here.Phoenix

Thor fights the Stranger

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Thor Stalemates Zues for months

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Thor kills Durok The demolisher without his hammer

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Thor can use antimatter

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Thor defeats the Phoenix

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Thor Can transmute objects

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Thor can swing his hammer at 2x the speed of light

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Thor vs Infinity Watch

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Thor vs Infinity Watch

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Thor vs Adam warlock

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Thor can absorb souls

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Thor can make force fields

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Thor can make antigravity blast

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Thor has a move called "Pure Lightning" that causes a chain reaction. It makes the same blast as a several megaton blast.

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We all know Thor is powerful, but not solo-the-entire-JLA powerful.

No, I think they'll lose more than win but i do think they can take 3/10.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Does this mean GL, MM, WW and Bats get speed blitzed then? 😉 You don't happen to have the issue number of that comic, I want to go and buy it for future reference.

It’s the comic where he fights wonder woman right after.(pretty new am sure I have it somewhere)

In that same issue Superman breaks Gl's Construct pretty easily.

While he is trying to escape. ( superman thinks the JLA are against him)

He does escape and shows us that none of the JLA can match his speed, or see what he is doing except Flash who was busy.

Juntai has the scan I think he is one that posted the pics.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Sense them Via Telepathy, and ram into them all. 😉

Anyway it doesn't make a difference JLA still win.

Going at that speed (at or roughly around the speed of light) using telepathy takes massive brain power and enhanced awareness. Telepathy only goes as fast as the speed of thought. For him to do that means that he can think extremely fast. 😉

Originally posted by Juntai

Superman just KOs Thor... again. Then helps the rest of the team.
lol.

If u liked that comic u did see how Kyle was written he couldn't take out WM.

WM was breaking his shield and about to bust him open.

badly written comic like all other crossover.

and few years back they had x-men vs Jla ......... funny thing is the X-men were holding there own.

and we all know superman couldn proably take them all himself solo.

and also going by the same Jla vs Avenger.

the Gls whould be loose their energy and make SS even strong.( cuz kyle was getting absorb by a 3rd rate character)

As much as i love SS, the odds are against SS/Thor due to being overwhelmed

but one things for sure

batman doesnt have much of a role in this fight

ALthough, im pertty sure SS could SOLO anyone in the jla and win

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
As much as i love SS, the odds are against SS/Thor due to being overwhelmed

but one things for sure

batman doesnt have much of a role in this fight

ALthough, im pertty sure SS could SOLO anyone in the jla and win


SS has the power of most JLA and thensome

Is there bfr?

Originally posted by Juntai
Have you read the newest issue of Superman?
Check it out, its worth it. 🙂

Nope I haven't I will soon

any good what happen with the crisis?