Silver Surfer & Thor vs JLA

Originally posted by batdude123
You are underestimating Martian Manhunter's thought processing when he's going at super speeds.

Those scans just show MM moving at Super Speed, and he's smashing through things, not dodging things. That can hardly be proof that he has a heightened thought reflex. Doesn't he still have to think at the speed of thought to initiate his super speed? So he, WW(I know she blocks bullets, however I still think her relexes are slower then SS) and Batman should still be caught in the speed blitz frenzy at the start.

Anyway if the GL's do have a heightened thought reflex, then they should take it.

JLG win.

i think the same just thing on this all and i mean a heck of a time would take SS and the superman can get the heck of thor easily.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Those scans just show MM moving at Super Speed, and he's smashing through things, not dodging things. That can hardly be proof that he has a heightened thought reflex. Doesn't he still have to think at the speed of thought to initiate his super speed? So he, WW(I know she blocks bullets, however I still think her relexes are slower then SS) and Batman should still be caught in the speed blitz frenzy at the start.

Anyway if the GL's do have a heightened thought reflex, then they should take it.

JLG win.

If he couldn't react quickly, then how could he have seen the white martians on Kyle, and able to get them off of him while he was going so fast?

Originally posted by batdude123
If he couldn't react quickly, then how could he have seen the white martians on Kyle, and able to get them off of him while he was going so fast?

Sense them Via Telepathy, and ram into them all. 😉

Anyway it doesn't make a difference JLA still win.

In one superman man comic some some posted here.

None could see superman's movement except Flash

Clearly indicating GL, MM and other not having thought speed anywhere near superman.

Originally posted by kgkg
In one superman man comic some some posted here.

None could see superman's movement except Flash

Clearly indicating GL, MM and other not having thought speed anywhere near superman.

Does this mean GL, MM, WW and Bats get speed blitzed then? 😉 You don't happen to have the issue number of that comic, I want to go and buy it for future reference.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Does this mean GL, MM, WW and Bats get speed blitzed then?

Originally posted by Draco69
The site also states Martian Manhunter and Wonder Woman can only lift 70 to 80 tons and can only go at the speed of sound.

The site is wrong and completely inaccurate.

Especially about Martian Manhunter's Martian vision. It's not heat vision. It's a psychokinetic blast...

you are right (to a point) about his vision . but this is a DC site, not somthing some fanboy made up.

Originally posted by kgkg
In one superman man comic some some posted here.

None could see superman's movement except Flash

Clearly indicating GL, MM and other not having thought speed anywhere near superman.

Originally posted by complexbrother
you are right (to a point) about his vision . but this is a DC site, not somthing some fanboy made up.

Also, notice the bottom of that page
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Originally posted by Juntai
Not if Flash shares the speedforce aura with them.

True, however SS isn't just going to sit their, by the time Flash shares the aura with them which happens very quickly, Bats, WW, MM and GL should get Speed Blitzed right?

On the KMC forums how do we rate SS's biological reactions with the Flashes'?

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
True, however SS isn't just going to sit their, by the time Flash shares the aura with them which happens very quickly, Bats, WW, MM and GL should get Speed Blitzed right?

On the KMC forums how do we rate SS's biological reactions with the Flashes'?

Originally posted by Juntai
It's all opinions anyways. Both Flash and Surfer are about as fast as they want to be.

If we're going to "assume" that, then SS should be able to Speed Blitz WW, MM both GL's and Bats. So both ways(Before or while they receive the Speed Force aura) the GL's, WW, MM and Bats are out. Leaving Supes and the Flash.

Therefore the fight becomes Thor and SS vs Superman and The Flash.

SS can deal with Superman very easily.(Drain his Solar Energy)
Leaving the Flash vs Thor and SS. (I guess Normal Thor would be taken out sometime during this match) So it's:

Flash vs SS

BTW Wasn't the Speed Force destroyed?

Take away any 2 of DC's heavyweights in this thread, and it is conceivable that they would still win at least 50% of the time. 😬

Take Superman and Flash out, and there team loses its biggest muscle, and fastest brain. That team would lose handily.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
If we're going to "assume" that, then SS should be able to Speed Blitz WW, MM both GL's and Bats. So both ways(With or without the Speed Force aura) the GL's, WW, MM and Bats are out. Leaving Supes and the Flash.

Therefore the fight becomes Thor and SS vs Superman and The Flash.

Once Flash instantly taps the speedforce, he can stop time or travel through it. Time is irrelivent to Flash, where as it isn't so to Surfer.
GL is on par with Surfer himself why would he be out?
Why are you counting out Wonder Woman, and have Superman still standing?
Surfer flies fast, but he doesn't fight fast, like the DC characters do. It's not in his character to do so. His speed feats rely on him moving from one location to another location. Typically in a straight line.

Read the lastest issue of Hulk by chance?
Surfer got stomped by Hulk. But if he's a bajillion times faster than lightspeed, how is this possible?

Surfer flies in a straight line directly for Flash and flies him into the sun.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
If we're going to "assume" that, then SS should be able to Speed Blitz WW, MM both GL's and Bats. So both ways(Before or while they receive the Speed Force aura) the GL's, WW, MM and Bats are out. Leaving Supes and the Flash.

Therefore the fight becomes Thor and SS vs Superman and The Flash.

It all depends on how you think the characters match up in the fight. Hell, Superman and the Flash could certainly occupy the Surfer for the few moments the Flash would need to extend the aura to the other members and then simply switch up opponents after that.

Besides, I'm not sure if this whole reaction time deal isn't moot. I mean Wonder Woman, Manhunter, and the GLs have all shown themselves capable of keeping up to a reasonable degree with both Superman and the Flash in all out combat. I mean Wonder Woman took on Zoom, who is actually a little faster than Wally if I'm not too badly mistaken, while blind!

Uni, are you sure? There's still 2 GLs, WW and MM. W/o Supes and Flash, yes suddenly they must overcome the speed advantage of SS.

However, Hal and Kyle and bad mo-fo's individually! Double the Oan power?.....yikes! 😱

You also have mind raping abilities by J'onn. WW can hold her own for a little while against Thor...if anything she's a better match for Thor than Supes because of magic resilence and lacking a conscious to hold back?

Playing devil's advocate here...but I still think this 4some if very formidable against SS and Thor. 😬

Originally posted by Juntai
In your opinion.

Once Flash instantly taps the speedforce, he can stop time or travel through it. Time is irrelivent to Flash, where as it isn't so to Surfer.
GL is on par with Surfer himself why would he be out?
Why are you counting out Wonder Woman, and have Superman still standing?
Surfer flies fast, but he doesn't fight fast, like the DC characters do. It's not in his character to do so. His speed feats rely on him moving from one location to another location. Typically in a straight line.

Read the lastest issue of Hulk by chance?
Surfer got stomped by Hulk. But if he's a bajillion times faster than lightspeed, how is this possible?

Wasn't the Speed Force destroyed? So can he really share it with his team mates?

From kgkg's both GL's don't have heightened thought reflexes meaning, if a Speed Blitz Frenzy came to it, They, Bats, WW, MM and you're right possibly Supes should get knocked out.(Infinite Mass Punch) But Supes' Invunerability is actual Invunerability meaning he should get back up. Therefore the only way Surfer can take him out is by draining his Solar Energy. Leaving the Flash.

Apparently at these forums we ignore personality, Supes doesn't beat up fragile looking women so if you put him up against Aunt May for example we're going to ignore his personality and say he speed blitzes her. Why can't we do the same for the Surfer. Ignore his Personality. He is well able to Fight at very high speeds, if he has heightened biological reflexes.

The Hulk should never have be able to beat a SS fighting to his full potential.
The Hulk should also never be able to beat Wallflower.

Originally posted by TheKahn
Besides, I'm not sure if this whole reaction time deal isn't moot. I mean Wonder Woman, Manhunter, and the GLs have all shown themselves capable of keeping up to a reasonable degree with both Superman and the Flash in all out combat. I mean Wonder Woman took on Zoom, who is actually a little faster than Wally if I'm not too badly mistaken, while blind!

But Supes and Flash had to be holding their Speed back, there's no way if written to full potential that those 3 could keep up with the Flash.