Originally posted by SoljerNot even close, the two Surfers are too much of a challenge for him to fight off Wonder Woman, Superman and Martian Manhunter at once. And no, even without Flash, he doesn't have a huge speed advantage, and with him adding speed, it's dead.
Surfer has an ENORMOUS speed advantage over the JLA, minus the Flash.And I still don't understand why you keep bringing up Bart. I do believe I have stated time and time again, I'm not going to debate against the Plot Device of the speed force.
With the Flash? I don't have a clue..
Without him? Yeah, the Surfer could go head to head with the JLA.
And you're saying speedforce is too plot deviced, but you're arguing that Surfer would solo the JLA, each person in a different and unique way all before they can react? lmao.
Originally posted by Soljer
Surfer has an ENORMOUS speed advantage over the JLA, minus the Flash.And I still don't understand why you keep bringing up Bart. I do believe I have stated time and time again, I'm not going to debate against the Plot Device of the speed force.
With the Flash? I don't have a clue..
Without him? Yeah, the Surfer could go head to head with the JLA.
I can totally tell that you are being rediculous. Do you think The surfer can Beat Asmodel By Himself? Or 8 White martians? WHen you show how Surfer can beat two gl's then your arguments have some merit. Until then, your just making cyber noise.
Originally posted by Juntai
No I was naming feats.GL's shields have held up to far more than Thor or Surfer can dish out on many occasions. That was the point.
But you're saying the GL shields can contain a true big bang, so given that the Celestials are not as powerful as a true big bang (by true big bang I mean containing all the matter in the universe), youre obviously saying that the GLs are more powerful than the Celestials.
Originally posted by aliveinbostonlmao. You're not even making credible points or anything, just going "OH SO HE COULD BEAT EXITAR?" "SO THEY COULD STOP A CELESTIAL!?" that's not good arguing. Thor and Surfer couldn't do it either. Get the hell out of here.
Blocking a single energy blast is very different from blocking hundreds of jagged bolts of lightning coming at you from everywhere. You're right, the shield wont break, but for WW, there's nowhere to run or hide. She dies.Yeah, but if he cries like a baby with relatively weak lightning, Thor's assault would fry him to a crisp.
So Celestials will not be able to defeat their shields?
So?
Really? So you're saying Flash can defeat Exitar?
One thing I've realized is that when it comes to creativity, there's not much difference between JLA and Hulk fanboys.
Originally posted by aliveinbostonI'm saying it's been done.
But you're saying the GL shields can contain a true big bang, so given that the Celestials are not as powerful as a true big bang (by true big bang I mean containing all the matter in the universe), youre obviously saying that the GLs are more powerful than the Celestials.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I can totally tell that you are being rediculous. Do you think The surfer can Beat Asmodel By Himself? Or 8 White martians? WHen you show how Surfer can beat two gl's then your arguments have some merit. Until then, your just making cyber noise.
🤨 ?
Have you been ignoring my posts for the last few pages?
Alright, let's ignore the rest of the JLA for just a moment, and allow me to address the question which you are asking, that being:
"How can the Surfer tangle with two Green Lanterns simultaneously?"
Right? I mean, is that close enough? I don't want to put words into your mouth, after all.
Assuming that this IS your question, well...quite easily.
Classic Surfer has a considerable travelling AND battle speed advantage over Hal and Kyle. Classic Surfer has also been able to absorb and control Oan energies. They put up a shield? Surfer absorbs it, and smashes the Lantern's head in. That simple. They create a construct, or...well...do ANYTHING with their ring, and the Surfer can redirect it, absorb it, or control it. It's all Oan energy, after all.
Note that this was CLASSIC surfer. The one that is now outmatched many times by Current Surfer, considering he made a fool of someone that used to be about his equal....
Originally posted by aliveinboston
Blocking a single energy blast is very different from blocking hundreds of jagged bolts of lightning coming at you from everywhere. You're right, the shield wont break, but for WW, there's nowhere to run or hide. She dies.WW HAS BLOCKED MANY MANY FAST MOVING TARGETS. SHE DOES HAVE THE SPEED OF THE GOD OF SPEED. AND THE OMEGA EFFECT IS NOT SOME PALTY ENERGY BLAST. IT COULD KILL THOR AND SURFER EASILY
Yeah, but if he cries like a baby with relatively weak lightning, Thor's assault would fry him to a crisp.
CM'S LIGHTING IS BACKED BY ZEUS AND SHAZAM. THOR'S LIGHTNING DOESN'T COMPARE AT ALL
So Celestials will not be able to defeat their shields?
So?
Really? So you're saying Flash can defeat Exitar?
One thing I've realized is that when it comes to creativity, there's not much difference between JLA and Hulk fanboys.
Originally posted by Juntai
lmao. You're not even making credible points or anything, just going "OH SO HE COULD BEAT EXITAR?" "SO THEY COULD STOP A CELESTIAL!?" that's not good arguing. Thor and Surfer couldn't do it either. Get the hell out of here.
On the contrary, youre claiming that members of the JLA can do things that are far beyond the power of Celestials, so obviously youre saying that the JLA are more powerful than the Celestials. In fact, why not start a new thread, Celestials vs JLA.
Originally posted by aliveinboston
On the contrary, youre claiming that members of the JLA can do things that are far beyond the power of Celestials, so obviously youre saying that the JLA are more powerful than the Celestials. In fact, why not start a new thread, Celestials vs JLA.
Originally posted by SoljerNon canon comic when he controled and absorbed OA energies, its just as arguable that they can drain him of cosmic energy as the other way around.
🤨 ?Have you been ignoring my posts for the last few pages?
Alright, let's ignore the rest of the JLA for just a moment, and allow me to address the question which you are asking, that being:
"How can the Surfer tangle with two Green Lanterns simultaneously?"
Right? I mean, is that close enough? I don't want to put words into your mouth, after all.
Assuming that this IS your question, well...quite easily.
Classic Surfer has a considerable travelling AND battle speed advantage over Hal and Kyle. Classic Surfer has also been able to absorb and control Oan energies. They put up a shield? Surfer absorbs it, and smashes the Lantern's head in. That simple. They create a construct, or...well...do ANYTHING with their ring, and the Surfer can redirect it, absorb it, or control it. It's all Oan energy, after all.
Note that this was CLASSIC surfer. The one that is now outmatched many times by Current Surfer, considering he made a fool of someone that used to be about his equal....
No, he doesn't have a consderable traveling and combat speed advantage over them. They go at warp speeds too.
There's no proof current Surfer is truly any more powerful than classic, he hasn't done anything more impressive than he has in the past.
Surfer can't fight off 2 gl's who can do everything he can and several other high end characters like Superman and Wonder Woman and Martian Manhunter at once.
Originally posted by aliveinbostonNo, I'm saying things they've done. Plain and simple.
On the contrary, youre claiming that members of the JLA can do things that are far beyond the power of Celestials, so obviously youre saying that the JLA are more powerful than the Celestials. In fact, why not start a new thread, Celestials vs JLA.
Originally posted by Juntai
Non canon comic when he controled and absorbed OA energies, its just as arguable that they can drain him of cosmic energy as the other way around.No, he doesn't have a consderable traveling and combat speed advantage over them. They go at warp speeds too.
There's no proof current Surfer is truly any more powerful than classic, he hasn't done anything more impressive than he has in the past.
Surfer can't fight off 2 gl's who can do everything he can and several other high end characters like Superman and Wonder Woman and Martian Manhunter at once.
Hm? I thought that cross-over was canon for the continuities? I remember that one was, and another was fan voted and non-canon. In fact, I recall someone using that very argument FOR the JLA in this thread, 🙄 .
Regardless, the Surfer does indeed have speed advantages over the Lantern's, his feats back that up with simplicity.
Also, I don't doubt that a green lantern could absorb the power cosmic from the Surfer. What I doubt is that he'd be able to do it FASTER than the Surfer could. The Surfer has shown better reflexes.
Not to mention, that he was indeed upgraded. Or was Galactus playing a prank on us? He humiliated a herald level character. That's normal, every-day surfer?
Originally posted by Soljer
well...quite easily.
Hell no.
Originally posted by Soljer
Classic Surfer has a considerable travelling AND battle speed advantage over Hal and Kyle.
Oh really? Talk to Thanos about that one. 🙄 While Hal has actually intercepted Barry Allen numerous times. And no, his flight speed isn't even that much faster than theirs.
Originally posted by Soljer
Classic Surfer has also been able to absorb and control Oan energies.
When? In a NONcanon crossover? 🤨 The ring could also absorb the Power Cosmic as well.
Originally posted by Soljer
They put up a shield? Surfer absorbs it, and smashes the Lantern's head in.
Pfffffffffffffffft. lmao!!!! 😆 Yeah, even though Silver Surfer has been extremely DRAINED when trying to absorb energy from someone who carries around less energy than the ring. 🙄 Come on, the GL ring could easily match that, and turn his energy into kick ass music for them to fight to.
Originally posted by Soljer
That simple.
No, not really.
Originally posted by Soljer
They create a construct, or...well...do ANYTHING with their ring, and the Surfer can redirect it, absorb it, or control it. It's all Oan energy, after all.
Oh really? And what makes you think Hal or Kyle couldn't do it just as easily? Kyle's made a construct able to withstand a BIG BANG. Hardly doubt SS is going to absorb it. 🙄 I'm sorry, SS isn't beating two GL's simultaneously. ❌
Originally posted by SoljerNo, it was merely being mentioned in passing, and no it's not canon.
Hm? I thought that cross-over was canon for the continuities? I remember that one was, and another was fan voted and non-canon. In fact, I recall someone using that very argument FOR the JLA in this thread, 🙄 .Regardless, the Surfer does indeed have speed advantages over the Lantern's, his feats back that up with simplicity.
Also, I don't doubt that a green lantern could absorb the power cosmic from the Surfer. What I doubt is that he'd be able to do it FASTER than the Surfer could. The Surfer has shown better reflexes.
Not to mention, that he was indeed upgraded. Or was Galactus playing a prank on us? He humiliated a herald level character. That's normal, every-day surfer?
No, he doesn't have a significant speed advantage. GL's move at warp speed too. They fly in between quadrants of the universe in quick time. Even so, Flash can share speed, and then there's no contest. Like it or not, he's on the thread, and can do that.
Yes, Surfer has done more impressive things in his past than take down a herald.
