Silver Surfer & Thor vs JLA

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And what about the powers of the others? Superman has more than Strength and Speed at his disposal. He has th epower to create gale force winds that freeze. Heat vision, I dont' know the exact temp, but i'm sure he could burn Thor.

WW has a force field that niether Thor nor Surfer can break. SHe has a sword that could kill them. She has a lasso that can command them to simply stop. SHe has the sandles of Hermes that allow her to operate on a whole other lvl of speed, to the point of dimension hopping.

Martain Manhunter has all of supers powers, invisability, telepathy, molecule manipulation in his own form, and the ability to phase.

The flash is just uber. so many things he has done in comics to name.

The Gl's. The same thing. Basically thier rings are only limited by thier wills and imagination.

Thor and Surfer Loose.

You havent shown how they lose. Surfer and Thor dont even need to be close enough to get into a fist fight where MM can become invisible, WW can use her lasso, etc., they can simply blast them to death from a distance with a wide-area energy attack as I've described. It's fast, it's simple and it's clean. We already know the energies from Thor and Surfer are beyond what even Superman can survive.

Originally posted by aliveinboston
You havent shown how they lose. Surfer and Thor dont even need to be close enough to get into a fist fight where MM can become invisible, WW can use her lasso, etc., they can simply blast them to death from a distance with a wide-area energy attack as I've described. It's fast, it's simple and it's clean. We already know the energies from Thor and Surfer are beyond what even Superman can survive.

Both GLs have wide ray attacks too.
As well Superman's heat vision can be spread to any degree. He's covered the whole planet with it before.

JLA, duh.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
both sides are mentioning high end feats. if ur gonna mention PIS from thor and surfer than u better be ready cause NUTHING comes even close to the PIS that GLs can show{even normal ones} its RIDICULOUS . people on both sides should look at AVERAGE power levels instead of plot devices.

Everything mentioned thus far from Thor and Surfer are not PIS, they are standard and oft repeated feats. Containing "big bangs" is clearly PIS unless youre willing to state that GL's > Celestials.

Originally posted by aliveinboston
You havent shown how they lose. Surfer and Thor dont even need to be close enough to get into a fist fight where MM can become invisible, WW can use her lasso, etc., they can simply blast them to death from a distance with a wide-area energy attack as I've described. It's fast, it's simple and it's clean. We already know the energies from Thor and Surfer are beyond what even Superman can survive.

Superman can survive a blast from either of them. He can survive hundreds of blast from them. To say anything other would be demeaning to the character. It's also demeaning to think that a combined shield from Kyle and Hal could not deflect Thor and Surfers Energy. Come on. Are you kidding? PLEASE tell me your kidding. As A matter of fact, the gl's shields are so good, they can put shields up on every one independent of each other so that ther are 7 shielded moving targets, add those shields to the top three's already high invulnerability, and ww's ability to shield her self further and thor and surfer's energy shots mean the big donut!! Flash can tap into the speed force and amp up everyone's speed, and Martian manhunter can mind link the entire team. Hell, in JLA the nail, hal jordan gave batman a shield so that he could fight the superman wannabe. Now Stack two Gl Shields on already high tiered toons and Thor and SS can crawl back to the MU and get some help that they will need.

Originally posted by Juntai
Really? Supes has survived galaxy and planet destroying attacks.

Yeah, he's not too good with lightning, even if it's only 100 times stronger than earth lightning. Millions of times stronger and he is instantly killed.

Both GLs have wide ray attacks too.

Enough to kill superman with one shot?

As well Superman's heat vision can be spread to any degree. He's covered the whole planet with it before.

Obviously not heat vision powerful enough to kill himself in one-shot or else it wouldnt come out of his own eyes.

lol.

Originally posted by kgkg
Silver Surfer & Thor vs JLA

JLA: Superman , Flash , Green Lantern(hal , kyle) , WW , MM , Batman

Ordinary thor and surfer? christ... superman alone is a challenge for thor, add in ww, flash, mm, TWO gl's (including hal) AND batman?

Thor n Surfer are goin down imo... down, down to chinatown...

yeah, my trashtalk sucks... 😛

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Superman can survive a blast from either of them. He can survive hundreds of blast from them. To say anything other would be demeaning to the character.

Demeaning? Who cares about demeaning?

It's also demeaning to think that a combined shield from Kyle and Hal could not deflect Thor and Surfers Energy. Come on. Are you kidding? PLEASE tell me your kidding. As A matter of fact, the gl's shields are so good, they can put shields up on every one independent of each other so that ther are 7 shielded moving targets, add those shields to the top three's already high invulnerability, and ww's ability to shield her self further and thor and surfer's energy shots mean the big donut!!

So even though they don't know they are about to get zapped by lightning that will kill someone like superman instantly, they will be able to do all these things with the shields? And even if they are able to hide behind these shields, what kind of attack can they mount against Thor and Surfer while inside these shields, particuarly since neither neither Thor nor Surfer has to ever step foot on the ground and can happily blast away at the JLA from 10,000 feet altitude or even space?

Flash can tap into the speed force and amp up everyone's speed, and Martian manhunter can mind link the entire team. Hell, in JLA the nail, hal jordan gave batman a shield so that he could fight the superman wannabe.

What good is a shield when the lightning is everywhere? Unless the GL's put everyone in balloons in the nick of time (just before the lightning starts), yet how long can they hold out against the sustained energy assault of lightning and power cosmic?

Now Stack two Gl Shields on already high tiered toons and Thor and SS can crawl back to the MU and get some help that they will need.

You keep going on about GI shields but they are useless against energy attacks that flow from from all directions. The only choice would be to put everyone in their own airtight balloon, but some will suffocate, others who do not need to breathe (or breathe often) will be trapped and incapable of counter-attacking, and when the shields give way, they will all be dead.

For all intents and purposes, Hal has been shown to grant Batman Superman Like strength and stamina before. Flash Has been shown to give others extra speed and steal speed. What is stopping The Gl's from amping up the entire teams strength and durability times two, and flash from making all of them hyper moving targets, While MM hands out telepathic links to every one so that they move in sinc?

Originally posted by pr1983
Ordinary thor and surfer? christ... superman alone is a challenge for thor, add in ww, flash, mm, TWO gl's (including hal) AND batman?

Thor n Surfer are goin down imo... down, down to chinatown...

yeah, my trashtalk sucks... 😛

Who says this will be a fist fight? It will come down to energy attacks and both Thor and the Surfer are beyond any of the JLA.

Originally posted by aliveinboston
Demeaning? Who cares about demeaning?

So even though they don't know they are about to get zapped by lightning that will kill someone like superman instantly, they will be able to do all these things with the shields? And even if they are able to hide behind these shields, what kind of attack can they mount against Thor and Surfer while inside these shields, particuarly since neither neither Thor nor Surfer has to ever step foot on the ground and can happily blast away at the JLA from 10,000 feet altitude or even space?

What good is a shield when the lightning is everywhere? Unless the GL's put everyone in balloons in the nick of time (just before the lightning starts), yet how long can they hold out against the sustained energy assault of lightning and power cosmic?

You keep going on about GI shields but they are useless against energy attacks that flow from from all directions. The only choice would be to put everyone in their own airtight balloon, but some will suffocate, others who do not need to breathe (or breathe often) will be trapped and incapable of counter-attacking, and when the shields give way, they will all be dead.

it's becoming quite obvious that you dont' know anything about DC. IF you did , you would know that Thor and Silver surfer being in outspace means what to the JLA? The members of the Jla constant fly to space to fight. It's also obvious that you dont' know that the GL's can put up shields while stil creating contructs and blasting enemies all at the same time. It is also quite obvious that you dont' know that the Gl's dont' put anyone in bubbles any more. THe shields go around thier bodies and move with the movement of whom ever is shielded. The green lantern rings also provide oxygen. OMG, air tight shields that will suffocate them. I've heard it all. LMAO

Originally posted by aliveinboston
Who says this will be a fist fight? It will come down to energy attacks and both Thor and the Surfer are beyond any of the JLA.

Please go reread my post on all of the energy powers that the Gl's and others posses. This is becoming silly. I like debating with people who actually read all comics.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
For all intents and purposes, Hal has been shown to grant Batman Superman Like strength and stamina before. Flash Has been shown to give others extra speed and steal speed. What is stopping The Gl's from amping up the entire teams strength and durability times two, and flash from making all of them hyper moving targets, While MM hands out telepathic links to every one so that they move in sinc?

So now the GL's are like Galactus and can create their own heralds? Wow. Add another Marvel bigwig who will eat humble pie when facing the GLs. So far we have Galactus, Exitar (flash alone can take him right?) and all the Celestials. Should we add living tribunal? Eternity? 🙄

BTW, before we get carried away, even if the GL and Flash give everyone superspeed, superstrength, supertoughness, etc., it will still be utterly useless against attacks that are atleast thousands of times stronger than whats needed to kill superman in one shot unless youre saying the GL's can make the others thousands of times (or even hundreds of times) tougher than Superman. And speed doesnt matter when there's nowhere to run.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Please go reread my post on all of the energy powers that the Gl's and others posses. This is becoming silly. I like debating with people who actually read all comics.

I read it. You said the GL's are more powerful than Celestials.

Originally posted by aliveinboston
I read it. You said the GL's are more powerful than Celestials.

Originally posted by aliveinboston
So now the GL's are like Galactus and can create their own heralds? Wow. Add another Marvel bigwig who will eat humble pie when facing the GLs. So far we have Galactus, Exitar (flash alone can take him right?) and all the Celestials. Should we add living tribunal? Eternity? 🙄

BTW, before we get carried away, even if the GL and Flash give everyone superspeed, superstrength, supertoughness, etc., it will still be utterly useless against attacks that are atleast thousands of times stronger than whats needed to kill superman in one shot unless youre saying the GL's can make the others thousands of times (or even hundreds of times) tougher than Superman. And speed doesnt matter when there's nowhere to run.

Excuse me. You must think Superman is really an xman or something. when did Thor or silver surfer ever have the raw naked might to completely obliterate Superman with energy alone? NEVER. SIlver Surfer can beat superman with matter manipulation or by trying to suck out his solar energy. but blasting him alone wouldn't do it. And if the fight is taking some where in space where supers is close to the sun, surfer could drain all day, supes would just keep absorbing more solar radiation. Thor is taken out by Diana and MM in half a page.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
it's becoming quite obvious that you dont' know anything about DC. IF you did , you would know that Thor and Silver surfer being in outspace means what to the JLA? The members of the Jla constant fly to space to fight. It's also obvious that you dont' know that the GL's can put up shields while stil creating contructs and blasting enemies all at the same time. It is also quite obvious that you dont' know that the Gl's dont' put anyone in bubbles any more. THe shields go around thier bodies and move with the movement of whom ever is shielded. The green lantern rings also provide oxygen. OMG, air tight shields that will suffocate them. I've heard it all. LMAO

You're right, I no longer read DC comics. They've thrown all the good stuff out the window to glorify superman and the writing has become absurd. Darkseid is now little more than Joker in fat-suit and dress.

Getting back to the debate ... put everyone in a green lantern bodysuit with built in oxygen supply and where they can fly, what good will it do? Are they now thousands, or even hundreds of times more durable than Superman?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
NO I Didn't, find where I said the Gl's are more powerful than celestials and I"ll give you a cookie.

Not in those words but you claim they can do things that are beyond the Celestials.

Originally posted by aliveinboston
You're right, I no longer read DC comics. They've thrown all the good stuff out the window to glorify superman and the writing has become absurd. Darkseid is now little more than Joker in fat-suit and dress.

Getting back to the debate ... put everyone in a green lantern bodysuit with built in oxygen supply and where they can fly, what good will it do? Are they now thousands, or even hundreds of times more durable than Superman?

You need to go and look up info on each jla member, and then find the respect threads on each of them on this forum. and then come back and argue that thor and surfer can take them out. To be honest, Supers, WW, or MM can handle Thor Alone. Supers would likely succumb to magic lighting after a long hard battle. WW would kill thor with her magic sword and ability to deflect or even shake off any lighting he can throw at her. MM would mind rape thor. Hal jordan could stale mate silver surfer. Adding in Kyle, who is a better Gl than hal is now, and surfer looses. the flash added in the mix and surfer and Thor go down faster than a hore who hears" here's 40 bucks, do what you do"!