Silver Surfer & Thor vs JLA

Started by Soljer80 pages
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Even without the flash, The GL rings can literally do anything the wearer wills them to do. So Silver Surfer isnt' doing anything that the Gl wearers can't do themselves. In some cases out do. I have never seen Silver Surfer create an army of gladiators. The Gl's Can make an army of Daxamites all with the power of a daxamite. So um, Surfer is still out gunned. NOt to mention that MM pretty much isn't going to be getting hit by the power cosmic if he is out of sinc with it. Plus MM's telepathy shouldn't be counted out either. The JLA are all mind linked and know what to do and what the other is going to do.

Errm...the Surfer has cloned himself, too, friend. I would imagine an army of Surfers to be a bit more of a threat than an army of daxamites.

Originally posted by Soljer
Errm...the Surfer has cloned himself, too, friend. I would imagine an army of Surfers to be a bit more of a threat than an army of daxamites.

Surfer has never shown himself to make multiples of anything. So now I know your arguing for the sake of argument and I am from this point on ignoring you in this thread. It has been proven that Thor and Surfer loose this. We all know that the Oan rings can do WHATEVER the wearer wills them to. With that being said, Hal could will the ring to turn surfer into light energy and imprison him within the ring. HAL did this very thing to himself in the JLA books. THis argument is over.

Originally posted by Soljer
Just because the Surfer hasn't had reason to as often as others, doesn't mean he hasn't shown the ability to on multiple occasions. Three that immediately spring to mind, in fact...

And, thus far your great rebuttals are all the same, and pretty much add up to 'Nuh-uh!'

Pull something else out.

Hal/GL has defeated Parallax, someone who can solo this team with his left hand and both eyes closed.
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GL/KYle held together the big bang with a shield, Surfer isnt blasting through it and knocking his head off.
Supes punched imperiex into pieces. Surfer could go down in one shot. Especially if he insta-travels at boom tube speed. 😉
Martian Manhunter mind rapes SS, which he would resist with great effort, but at the cost of a physical asswhooping by the rest of the team in the meantime.

Thanos can and has made short work of Surfer and Thor, and anyone with any knowledge of the characters knows he doesnt win against the entire JLA solo either.

My rebuttles all add up to "Nuh uh" because that's exactly what it is. Surfer has no advtange, and cannot solo the JLA ever.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Surfer has never shown himself to make multiples of anything. So now I know your arguing for the sake of argument and I am from this point on ignoring you in this thread. It has been proven that Thor and Surfer loose this. We all know that the Oan rings can do WHATEVER the wearer wills them to. With that being said, Hal could will the ring to turn surfer into light energy and imprison him within the ring. HAL did this very thing to himself in the JLA books. THis argument is over.

😆

Poor little thing sounds a bit frustrated.

Silver Surfer, Volume 3, issue 127.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Surfer has never shown himself to make multiples of anything. So now I know your arguing for the sake of argument and I am from this point on ignoring you in this thread. It has been proven that Thor and Surfer loose this. We all know that the Oan rings can do WHATEVER the wearer wills them to. With that being said, Hal could will the ring to turn surfer into light energy and imprison him within the ring. HAL did this very thing to himself in the JLA books. THis argument is over.
Yep, Hal can store people in the ring, just as Surfer can with his board. pretty much anything Surfer can or has done, GL's can and have done.

Originally posted by Soljer
😆

Poor little thing sounds a bit frustrated.

Silver Surfer, Volume 3, issue 127.

Hal recreated the green corp with his ring when he came back from death in Day of Judgment. Kyle has also recreated the entire JLA, and made them fight. Multiples is nothing.

Originally posted by Juntai
Hal/GL has defeated Parallax, someone who can solo this team with his left hand and both eyes closed.
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GL/KYle held together the big bang with a shield, Surfer isnt blasting through it and knocking his head off.
Supes punched imperiex into pieces. Surfer could go down in one shot. Especially if he insta-travels at boom tube speed. 😉
Martian Manhunter mind rapes SS, which he would resist with great effort, but at the cost of a physical asswhooping by the rest of the team in the meantime.

Thanos can and has made short work of Surfer and Thor, and anyone with any knowledge of the characters knows he doesnt win against the entire JLA solo either.

My rebuttles all add up to "Nuh uh" because that's exactly what it is. Surfer has no advtange, and cannot solo the JLA ever.

Surfer needn't blast through a green lantern's shields, when he can absorb them.

Superman wouldn't even be able to catch the surfer, much less physically attack him. Especially while surrounded by kryptonite.

The manhunter's telepathy is not superior to Moondragon with the soul gem, so...well..oops?

Thanos 'easily' dealt with the Surfer and Thor when he needed to. At other times, the Surfer has shown to be a match for Thanos, in fact, they were only able to be separated by strange's magic.

Originally posted by Soljer
Surfer needn't blast through a green lantern's shields, when he can absorb them.

Superman wouldn't even be able to catch the surfer, much less physically attack him. Especially while surrounded by kryptonite.

The manhunter's telepathy is not superior to Moondragon with the soul gem, so...well..oops?

Thanos 'easily' dealt with the Surfer and Thor when he needed to. At other times, the Surfer has shown to be a match for Thanos, in fact, they were only able to be separated by strange's magic.

It took all his effort to stop moondragons attack. Think he could do that while fighting off two Gls and Superman? Hell no.

Superman can catch Surfer.

SURFER

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JLA

PERIOD.

0/10.

Originally posted by Juntai
SURFER

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JLA

PERIOD.

0/10.

You still haven't presented an argument, friend. You are simply repeating yourself. We understand your standpoint, your conjecture, your opinion. Now defend it.

Tell me...can the Surfer multitask different energies in the nanosecond-range without struggle?

Yes.

Can the Surfer absorb Oan energy?

Yes.

Can the Surfer create matter?

Yes.

Can the Surfer create fire?

Yes.

Now, from the other side;

Could Superman be imprisoned inside a cage of kryptonite-coated adamantium?

Yes.

Could Diana be held by an adamantium cage, as well?

Maybe, see sword of Hephaestus.

Is the Manhunter still weak to fire?

Maybe. He has shown varying levels of resistance.

Hmmm....😬.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Now I know I have seen it all. There are some truly ignorant people trying to argue that SS and Thor even have a chance against the JLA.

You should be more careful about tossing about words like "ignorant" particularly when you haven't done much research on the topic at hand.

For one. SOmeone mention lighting. LIGHTING? WW has took lightning from an enraged zues. You think Thor has what it takes to out do zues?

Perhaps due to the "lets compromise all our other characters to make superman look better" curse, DC portrays it's gods as much weaker than Marvel. Thor probably could take DC Zeus although he would not stand a chance against Marvel Zeus.

Thor's lightning, btw, is far more powerful than anything Wonder Woman can handle. Thor effortlessly incapacitated Hercules with a single bolt of lightning, did the same to the hulk (not even major sustained lightning assault, just a casual gesture bringing forth a single powerful lightning bolt), etc... If he really turned it on they would all be dead.

The Gl's can shield themselves from lighting.MM is going to be intangible and unable tobe hit by lightning.

Do they have FTL reflexes? Will they be able to raise their shields or will MM be able to go intangible before they are electrocuted? If MM goes intangible before the fight, or is lucky enough to go intangible just before multiple lightning bolts rip through him, what will he do, stay intangible forever?

In any case, Thor has created lightning millions of times stronger than earth lighting. Can the green lantern's energy based shields hold up against that kind of power? I doubt it. GL shields are no different from Quasar's or Silver Surfer's shields and Thor has busted through those with his bare hands.

Supeman can withstand some lightning. It may hurt him a bit if it's magic, but he sure as hell ain't gonna die or be knocked out from it.

He had trouble with lightning that was only 100 times hotter than a standard lightning bolt but Thor has called forth energies millions of times greater than that on a planetary scale.

Flash won't be hit at all.

He's fast, but he can't escape something that's everywhere at once. There's nowhere to run.

And people are still acting like a green Lantern is some one to be played with. They are for all intents and purposes DC version's of Quasars or silver surfers.

More like quasar in terms of energy constructs but the surfer can do much much more. Not even in the same class.

Two of them is too much for the surfer.

They wouldn't even get to fight one on one or even two on one with the surfer as their shields would already have given way under the combined energy assault from Thor and Surfer resulting in the incineration of the fragile bodies of the GL's.

What tips the scale so dramatically in favor of Thor and Surfer is their ability to summon wide-area energy assaults far beyond the capacity of any member of the JLA to match or survive. If Thor and Surfer were limited to duking it out, then they would certainly lose against the combined power of the JLA heavy-hitters, but it will never come to that.

Oh lord. doh Silver Surfer and Thor have NO shot in hell. To think so is ludicrous. Let me put it this way:

Hal and Kyle proceed to beat the shit outta Silver Surfer. That leaves SUPERMAN, J'ONN, WONDER WOMAN, AND FLASH to beat the shit outta Thor, while Aquaman and Batman sit on the sidelines eating popcorn.

Originally posted by Soljer
You still haven't presented an argument, friend. You are simply repeating yourself. We understand your standpoint, your conjecture, your opinion. Now defend it.

Tell me...can the Surfer multitask different energies in the nanosecond-range without struggle?

Yes.

Can the Surfer absorb Oan energy?

Yes.

Can the Surfer create matter?

Yes.

Can the Surfer create fire?

Yes.

Now, from the other side;

Could Superman be imprisoned inside a cage of kryptonite-coated adamantium?

Yes.

Could Diana be held by an adamantium cage, as well?

Maybe, see sword of Hephaestus.

Is the Manhunter still weak to fire?

Maybe. He has shown varying levels of resistance.

Hmmm....😬.

I did defend it. And have defended every single point you've brought up across the last several pages... he wont get the chance to do any of that.
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Could Surfer be knocked out by Supes?
Yes. Hulk has done it, others have done it with physical force.

Can GL's absorb any energy Surfer uses?
Just as arguable as the other way.

Can GL's do pretty much anything Surfer can do and multitask just the same?
Yes, and yes.

Could Surfer battle the entire JLA solo?
No.

Is thor Going to be able to out punch and out maneuver Superman And Wonder Woman and the Flash all of whom have superspeed and other various powers, all being coordinated by thier mind link with the manhunter. With flash running battle tactics and then mm transmitting them? NOPE!!! Is surfer capable of doing anything that the GL"s can't undo NOPE!

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
It has been proven that Thor and Surfer loose this.

By whom and with what evidence or logic?

We all know that the Oan rings can do WHATEVER the wearer wills them to. With that being said, Hal could will the ring to turn surfer into light energy and imprison him within the ring. HAL did this very thing to himself in the JLA books. THis argument is over.

Anything? Really? So you're saying Hal can turn the living tribunal into a frog and step on him right? Riiiight. You people are starting to sound like some of the Hulk fanboys who talk about "unlimited anger" and "infinite strength".

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Is thor Going to be able to out punch and out maneuver Superman And Wonder Woman and the Flash all of whom have superspeed and other various powers, all being coordinated by thier mind link with the manhunter. With flash running battle tactics and then mm transmitting them? NOPE!!! Is surfer capable of doing anything that the GL"s can't undo NOPE!

Again you're stuck in a mental rut thinking of Thor and Surfer duking it out with the JLA. That's a stupid tactic. However they have the ability to simply incinerate the JLA with wide-area energy assaults.

Originally posted by batdude123
Oh lord. doh Silver Surfer and Thor have NO shot in hell. To think so is ludicrous.

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Shhhh, I'm having fun! 😄

Now, where is that dancing banana?

💃

Originally posted by aliveinboston

Anything? Really? So you're saying Hal can turn the living tribunal into a frog and step on him right? Riiiight. You people are starting to sound like some of the Hulk fanboys who talk about "unlimited anger" and "infinite strength".
And you wonder why people don't bother responding to you.

Originally posted by batdude123
Oh lord. doh Silver Surfer and Thor have NO shot in hell. To think so is ludicrous. Let me put it this way:

Hal and Kyle proceed to beat the shit outta Silver Surfer. That leaves SUPERMAN, J'ONN, WONDER WOMAN, AND FLASH to beat the shit outta Thor, while Aquaman and Batman sit on the sidelines eating popcorn.

Again youre assuming this will be a fist fight. In a fist fight, Thor and Surfer would be defeated but it would never come to that since the energy attacks by Thor and Surfer far exceed anything the JLA can match or survive. Simply put, there's nowhere to run.

Originally posted by aliveinboston
Again you're stuck in a mental rut thinking of Thor and Surfer duking it out with the JLA. That's a stupid tactic. However they have the ability to simply incinerate the JLA with wide-area energy assaults.
And those are easily containable or avoidable.
Kyle held together the big bang, nothing Thor or Surfer can put out can match that.
Flash or GL could move them out of the harm. Or themselves of Flash is just sharing speed with the team.