Silver Surfer & Thor vs JLA

Originally posted by kgkg
Avon note few things.

1.) SS never tried to absorb the Oan energy ( out of thanos and Parralax)
2.) SS says he can't absorb the energy because his own energy is drained. ( as i posted)
3.) Kyle tries to absorb the energy......... but the energy is to much for him. ( note SS is weak at this point......... but he still think he can absorb and control Oan energy)

as this scan shows exactly that......

So your ASSUMING that SS can absorb GL energy when he wasn't able to when he needed to the most.

Even with all that... he still NEEDED to ask Kyle to pass the energy over to him. He contained it AFTER Kyle passed it over. He couldn't do it on his own.

So far it's been shown that GL can absorb SS energy and not the other way around.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Whats stopping these two from absorbing any energy put out by the GL's? Thor has absorbed a blast that would have destroyed a 5th of the universe, and there has never been a limit to what types of energy he can absorb. I shouldn't even have to describe the way the Surfer toys with energy.

Yes Supes defeated Thor in a pis filled comic which I not sure is even considered cannon in the MU. 🙄

No this battle is debatable, no quick win for either team.

Whats stopping the GL's from creating a cage around them that turns all their efforts into unbearable pain?

What's stopping Flash from stealing all their speed?

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Whats stopping the GL's from creating a cage around them that turns all their efforts into unbearable pain?

What's stopping Flash from stealing all their speed?

Nothing and nothing. They just can't stand the fact that Thor and Silver Surfer would get their asses beat by the JLA. 🙄

Originally posted by batdude123
Nothing and nothing. They just can't stand the fact that Thor and Silver Surfer would get their asses beat by the JLA. 🙄

Careful Batdude and don't mention T-vo or godwave or they'll go into the anti dc frenzy!

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Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Careful Batdude and don't mention T-vo or godwave or they'll go into the anti dc frenzy!

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Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
WW has also taken the force of blast from zeus, and covered a quantum alien explosion meant to lvl cities, with her body. It has been stated that the white martians are as fast as superman, as strong, and as tuff. Martian Manhunter has the same powers. SO what makes Superman be able to take a hit that MM can't?

Like Darkseid, MM is another character who gets crapped on to make Superman look super good. What a waste. Really shows how DC has gone down the drain. Marvel's no better. Hulk changing the universe with his hands? Give me a break! Superman, Hulk, Wolverine (I dont care how sharp or strong the knives are, if Hulk is bullet proof, there is no way some guy with so little physical strength is going to cut him up), these are the types of characters (thanks to lots of idiot fans who support them) who have ruined their respective universes.

Back to the topic of the thread, it's already been shown that Superman can be taken out with lightning. In Kingdom Come (fantastic artwork, one of the less idiotic superman renditions) Captain Marvel repeatedly brings superman down with individual lightning bolts which shows that Superman cannot dodge lightning and that Superman can be badly hurt by just one lightning bolt. Superman did manage to overcoming this (in a way) by grabbing CM before he could dodge his own lightning bolt, turning him back into the boy.

I'm assuming CM's is more than 100 times as strong as earth lightning because it hurt Superman badly and Superman was hurt but was able to withstand lightning 100 times as strong as that on earth. But look at what just one lightning bolt from CM did. What would happen to superman when the lightning is millions of times as strong as earth lightning and the entire surface is saturated in it. There is nowhere to run. Nowhere to hide. Superman gets fried.

Originally posted by aliveinboston
Like Darkseid, MM is another character who gets crapped on to make Superman look super good. What a waste. Really shows how DC has gone down the drain. Marvel's no better. Hulk changing the universe with his hands? Give me a break! Superman, Hulk, Wolverine (I dont care how sharp or strong the knives are, if Hulk is bullet proof, there is no way some guy with so little physical strength is going to cut him up), these are the types of characters (thanks to lots of idiot fans who support them) who have ruined their respective universes.

Back to the topic of the thread, it's already been shown that Superman can be taken out with lightning. In Kingdom Come (fantastic artwork, one of the less idiotic superman renditions) Captain Marvel repeatedly brings superman down with individual lightning bolts which shows that Superman cannot dodge lightning and that Superman can be badly hurt by just one lightning bolt. Superman did manage to overcoming this (in a way) by grabbing CM before he could dodge his own lightning bolt, turning him back into the boy.

I'm assuming CM's is more than 100 times as strong as earth lightning because it hurt Superman badly and Superman was hurt but was able to withstand lightning 100 times as strong as that on earth. But look at what just one lightning bolt from CM did. What would happen to superman when the lightning is millions of times as strong as earth lightning and the entire surface is saturated in it. There is nowhere to run. Nowhere to hide. Superman gets fried.

Can i ask... why is thor's lightning millions of times stronger than earth lightning if shazam's is only a hundred times stronger?

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Whats stopping the GL's from creating a cage around them that turns all their efforts into unbearable pain?

What's stopping Flash from stealing all their speed?

1) GL's have to create the cage before they get electrocuted. Superman cant avoid lightning attacks so can the GL's?

2) Assuming the GL's are able to protect themselves before they get struck by lightning (dumb luck is required as it's very hard to see lighting before it hits you), and assuming they encase the Surfer and Thor in a cage, that makes absolutely no difference as far as the lightning as concerned since that does not come directly from the body of Thor. So encasing Thor serves no purpose.

3) Thor has physically busted energy shields by Quasar and Surfer using his bare hands, do you honestly believe the GL rings are more powerful than Quasar bands or Surfer's power cosmic?

4) Surfer and Mjolnir are both capable of absorbing and manipulating energy.

5) Mjolnir's energy absorption and manipulation goes beyond normal definitions of energy and also includes life forces. In other words, Thor can simply absorb the life-forces of lesser beings with the hammer.

Originally posted by aliveinboston

Back to the topic of the thread, it's already been shown that Superman can be taken out with lightning. In Kingdom Come (fantastic artwork, one of the less idiotic superman renditions) Captain Marvel repeatedly brings superman down with individual lightning bolts which shows that Superman cannot dodge lightning and that Superman can be badly hurt by just one lightning bolt. Superman did manage to overcoming this (in a way) by grabbing CM before he could dodge his own lightning bolt, turning him back into the boy.

I'm assuming CM's is more than 100 times as strong as earth lightning because it hurt Superman badly and Superman was hurt but was able to withstand lightning 100 times as strong as that on earth. But look at what just one lightning bolt from CM did. What would happen to superman when the lightning is millions of times as strong as earth lightning and the entire surface is saturated in it. There is nowhere to run. Nowhere to hide. Superman gets fried.

Kingdom Come isn't cannon.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Whats stopping the GL's from creating a cage around them that turns all their efforts into unbearable pain?

What's stopping Flash from stealing all their speed?

Flash uses K energy SS can stop that..........🙄

what is stoping SS stoping time...... before anyone there can think.

superman should just speedblitz thor and take the hammer he's held it in the past, then the magical effects of the lightning would work on the surfer would they not as well as the combined power of the rest of the JLA and not all the JLA members are gonna go down just from lightning are they?

Originally posted by kgkg
GL won't since its energy will be absorb as shown in JLA/Avenger

Flash uses K energy SS can stop that..........🙄

what is stoping SS stoping time...... before anyone there can think.

Wasn't absorbed by SS. Can't assume SS can do it because a totally unrelated character did it...and it was still shown that GL can jack cosmic energy without much effort already.

What's stopping a GL from stopping time first? Nothing.

When has SS simply stood there and frozen time?

Originally posted by aliveinboston
1) GL's have to create the cage before they get electrocuted. Superman cant avoid lightning attacks so can the GL's?

2) Assuming the GL's are able to protect themselves before they get struck by lightning (dumb luck is required as it's very hard to see lighting before it hits you), and assuming they encase the Surfer and Thor in a cage, that makes absolutely no difference as far as the lightning as concerned since that does not come directly from the body of Thor. So encasing Thor serves no purpose.

3) Thor has physically busted energy shields by Quasar and Surfer using his bare hands, do you honestly believe the GL rings are more powerful than Quasar bands or Surfer's power cosmic?

4) Surfer and Mjolnir are both capable of absorbing and manipulating energy.

5) Mjolnir's energy absorption and manipulation goes beyond normal definitions of energy and also includes life forces. In other words, Thor can simply absorb the life-forces of lesser beings with the hammer.

What the hell are you talking about? Both Thor and SS have already been owned by the same characters we are debating.

Thor's lightning is a non factor.... Lightning...LOL

Flash or any GL steals Thor or Surfers kinetic energy. They are frozen. That still leaves 1 GL open and the rest of the JLA.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Wasn't absorbed by SS. Can't assume SS can do it because a totally unrelated character did it...and it was still shown that GL can jack cosmic energy without much effort already.

What's stopping a GL from stopping time first? Nothing.

When has SS simply stood there and frozen time?

GL will be K.o before they can think .......... GL couldn't even SEE SUPERMAN 😂

Originally posted by kgkg
you can't say he can't because he hasn't shown how to the fast that he is millions of time faster than most of the JLA....... will leave only him and Flash 😉

GL will be K.o before they can think .......... GL couldn't even SEE SUPERMAN 😂

SS has been tagged by the absorbing man b4 he could react.

Speed is subjective in comics and SS has only shown travelling speed.
Besides, if you want to play the speed game...Flash blitzes both Thor and Surfer with IMP's while freezing them by stealing their kinetic energy.

Either way, neither one of those 2 is much of a threat against this caliber of team.

Originally posted by pr1983
Can i ask... why is thor's lightning millions of times stronger than earth lightning if shazam's is only a hundred times stronger?

I said Shazam's is MORE than a hundred times stronger. How much more we cannot know. What we do know is that one bolt didnt kill superman outright. However, we do know that 100 times stronger is enough to hurt Superman to the point where he cries. Assuming Superman is like humans but much tougher, the jump from electricity that hurts a lot to electricity that kills is less than 15 times. So Shazam's lightning (on that occasion) is probably much less than 1500 times stronger than earth's lightning. Perhaps he can summon stronger lightning perhaps not. We cannot know.

What we do know is that Thor can summon lightning millions of times stronger than earth's lightning (strong enough to kill himself if he allowed himself to be struck by it) and we also know that he can concentrate and direct all that energy with his hammer.

We also know that Thor can summon lightning such that it blankets a wide area which means that each individual will be struck by multiple bolts continuously.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
What the hell are you talking about? Both Thor and SS have already been owned by the same characters we are debating.

Thor's lightning is a non factor.... Lightning...LOL

Flash or any GL steals Thor or Surfers kinetic energy. They are frozen. That still leaves 1 GL open and the rest of the JLA.

1) No kinetic energy is needed for Thor to electrocute the entire JLA with lightning strong enough to kill Superman many times over.

2) Thor's lightning is a lot stronger than what Captain Marvel used to humble Superman.

3) Mjolnir can absorb and counteract the power of the GL rings the same way it did the quantum bands and power cosmic.

Originally posted by aliveinboston
I said Shazam's is MORE than a hundred times stronger. How much more we cannot know. What we do know is that it didnt kill superman outright. However, we do know that 100 times stronger is enough to hurt Superman to the point where he cries. Assuming Superman is like humans but much tougher, the jump from electricity that hurts a lot to electricity that kills is less than 15 times. So Shazam's lightning (on that occasion) is probably much less than 1500 times stronger than earth's lightning. Perhaps he can summon stronger lightning perhaps not. We cannot know. What we do know is that Thor can summon lightning millions of times stronger than earth's lightning (strong enough to kill himself if he allowed himself to be struck by it) and we also know that he can concentrate and direct all that energy with his hammer.

Superman has absorbed energy that kills gods.

Thors lightning is not an issue especially since everyone here if far faster than Thor is.

Originally posted by aliveinboston
1) No kinetic energy is needed for Thor to electrocute the entire JLA with lightning strong enough to kill Superman many times over.

No kinetic energy means Thor is frozen completely..he won't be doing a damn thing... and why do you keep insisting that lightning will do anything?

Thors lightning = crap to most of these guys. GL turns thor into a frog. End of fight for him.

Originally posted by aliveinboston
2) Thor's lightning is a lot stronger than what Captain Marvel used to humble Superman.

Shazam (skyfather) blasted Superman over and over with magic lightning... and Superman kept coming.

Superman has already KO'd Thor. Hal has jacked energy from Surfer. Hell, they had to tone down flash when he went to the Marvel U. LOL

This team gets curbstomped.

Originally posted by Mider999
superman should just speedblitz thor and take the hammer he's held it in the past, then the magical effects of the lightning would work on the surfer would they not as well as the combined power of the rest of the JLA and not all the JLA members are gonna go down just from lightning are they?

1) Thor let him take the hammer and that's not even canon.

2) Superman can't "speedblitz" Thor any more than the Gladiator or Surfer can (which they could not).

3) There is no escape from an area wide lightning assault when you're caught in the middle. It's like trying to dodge raindrops in a thunderstorm.