Silver Surfer & Thor vs JLA

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Excuse me. You must think Superman is really an xman or something. when did Thor or silver surfer ever have the raw naked might to completely obliterate Superman with energy alone? NEVER.

They always did and always will, particularly Thor, who has taken out characters far more powerful than Superman with energy attacks.

SIlver Surfer can beat superman with matter manipulation or by trying to suck out his solar energy. but blasting him alone wouldn't do it.

Maybe maybe not. We do know that SUperman would die instantly if Thor hit him with lightning since Thor's lighting is thousands of times stronger than what Superman can handle (according to DC).

And if the fight is taking some where in space where supers is close to the sun, surfer could drain all day, supes would just keep absorbing more solar radiation.

Surfer can absorb energy too and has more control over it.

Thor is taken out by Diana and MM in half a page.

Are you kidding me? In a fist fight, he would easily destroy them the same way he did Surfer and Warlock or Drax (power gem, and stronger than WW or MM) and Maxam (just as strong as WW), but he would not even need to go that far. He could just kill them with area wide lightning. There's no where for them to run or hide.

Thor and Surfer get creamed.

Get real. Only the two of them versus Supes, Wonder Woman, GL, Flash, and Martian Manhunter? That's a suicide mission.

If it's just Supes and GL, that's an interesting fight. Otherwise, it's a blood bath.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You need to go and look up info on each jla member, and then find the respect threads on each of them on this forum. and then come back and argue that thor and surfer can take them out. To be honest, Supers, WW, or MM can handle Thor Alone. Supers would likely succumb to magic lighting after a long hard battle. WW would kill thor with her magic sword and ability to deflect or even shake off any lighting he can throw at her. MM would mind rape thor. Hal jordan could stale mate silver surfer. Adding in Kyle, who is a better Gl than hal is now, and surfer looses. the flash added in the mix and surfer and Thor go down faster than a hore who hears" here's 40 bucks, do what you do"!

You're just repeating yourself. Supers, WW, and MM cannot handle Thor alone, or together when they are all deep fried by lightining that is unavoidable and omnipresent. The lightining isnt magic, its just more powerful than what Superman can handle, thousands oftimes more powerful. MM cant "mind-rape" Thor who is even immune to the Soul Gem (particularly when MM is already being deep fried and all he can think about is how much he wishes he were dead), and add Surfer's cosmic energy to enhance the lighting to attack all states of matter and the JLA dies in under 5 seconds.

5 .... 4 .... 3 .... JLA is dead.

Originally posted by aliveinboston
They always did and always will, particularly Thor, who has taken out characters far more powerful than Superman with energy attacks.

Maybe maybe not. We do know that SUperman would die instantly if Thor hit him with lightning since Thor's lighting is thousands of times stronger than what Superman can handle (according to DC).

Surfer can absorb energy too and has more control over it.

Are you kidding me? In a fist fight, he would easily destroy them the same way he did Surfer and Warlock or Drax (power gem, and stronger than WW or MM) and Maxam (just as strong as WW), but he would not even need to go that far. He could just kill them with area wide lightning. There's no where for them to run or hide.

Your facts about Dc is a bit off. First off, Thor's lighting is not going to be killing Superman, Wonder Woman, or Jonn. The three mightiest beings on the planet, besides captain marvel and he can kill them with his blast. NOT EVEN. ASmodel's angels had screams from God himself and they couldn't do that. As Far as thor taking out characters far more powerful than superman. oh really. That would put the characters out of thor's league. The only enery attack Thor has that can blast superman is the god force. Too bad it's a slow ass attack that thor has to concentrate to use. by then, superman would have pummeled him with his superior strength. The spectre said that Superman and WW are two of the Mightiest being in existance, and you have thor taking them out with lighting. get real. WW is much stronger than maxam. WW has been shown to help pull the moon and the earth. She has taken shots from an enraged zues, and Darkseids Omega Force. For all intents and purposes, SUperman and WW are herald lvl characters.

Originally posted by Dr. Zaius
Thor and Surfer get creamed.

Get real. Only the two of them versus Supes, Wonder Woman, GL, Flash, and Martian Manhunter? That's a suicide mission.

If it's just Supes and GL, that's an interesting fight. Otherwise, it's a blood bath.

JLA have no way to defend themselves or to counterattack against Thor and Surfer's defences. Even if Superman is able to penetrate Surfer's shield, Thor can kill him with a single shot of anti-force or lightning that is thousands of times more powerful than what Superman can handle.

Originally posted by aliveinboston
You're just repeating yourself. Supers, WW, and MM cannot handle Thor alone, or together when they are all deep fried by lightining that is unavoidable and omnipresent. The lightining isnt magic, its just more powerful than what Superman can handle, thousands oftimes more powerful. MM cant "mind-rape" Thor who is even immune to the Soul Gem (particularly when MM is already being deep fried and all he can think about is how much he wishes he were dead), and add Surfer's cosmic energy to enhance the lighting to attack all states of matter and the JLA dies in under 5 seconds.

5 .... 4 .... 3 .... JLA is dead.

Boston, go read some respect threads and then come back ok. Your arguments are truly weak. MM has all of superman's powers plus 10 more. He can be intangible to be unharmed by Thor's lighting or surfers powers. He can mind rape thor in safety and comfort. or he can mind rape thor while pummeling him. telepathy is much different than the soul gem. So you can't compare the two. if they were the same, then there woudlnt' have been a need for moondragon to have a mind gem.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Your facts about Dc is a bit off. First off, Thor's lighting is not going to be killing Superman, Wonder Woman, or Jonn. The three mightiest beings on the planet, besides captain marvel and he can kill them with his blast. NOT EVEN. ASmodel's angels had screams from God himself and they couldn't do that. As Far as thor taking out characters far more powerful than superman. oh really. That would put the characters out of thor's league. The only enery attack Thor has that can blast superman is the god force. Too bad it's a slow ass attack that thor has to concentrate to use. by then, superman would have pummeled him with his superior strength. The spectre said that Superman and WW are two of the Mightiest being in existance, and you have thor taking them out with lighting. get real. WW is much stronger than maxam. WW has been shown to help pull the moon and the earth. She has taken shots from an enraged zues, and Darkseids Omega Force. For all intents and purposes, SUperman and WW are herald lvl characters.

Thor has beaten herald level characters repeatedly. Thor is far more powerful than Superman or Wonder Woman. They are physically strong but Thor's energy attack is far beyond them. Hercules vs Superman or WW might be interesting, but Thor is far beyond any of these characters due to his energy attacks. Thor's lightning alone is enough to kill superman in one shot. I've already explained why so go back and read my earlier posts comparing DC lightning wielders to Thor with earth lightning as the basic standard for the comparison.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Boston, go read some respect threads and then come back ok. Your arguments are truly weak. MM has all of superman's powers plus 10 more. He can be intangible to be unharmed by Thor's lighting or surfers powers. He can mind rape thor in safety and comfort. or he can mind rape thor while pummeling him. telepathy is much different than the soul gem. So you can't compare the two. if they were the same, then there woudlnt' have been a need for moondragon to have a mind gem.

Do you remember what Moon Dragon did to Thor? Nothing. What about Warlock? How about Phoenix?

As for being intangible, thats just a different state of matter and Surfer can easily modulate Thor's lightning to work on all states of matter by combining his own energy with it.

Originally posted by aliveinboston
Thor has beaten herald level characters repeatedly. Thor is far more powerful than Superman or Wonder Woman. They are physically strong but Thor's energy attack is far beyond them. Hercules vs Superman or WW might be interesting, but Thor is far beyond any of these characters due to his energy attacks. Thor's lightning alone is enough to kill superman in one shot. I've already explained why so go back and read my earlier posts comparing DC lightning wielders to Thor with earth lightning as the basic standard for the comparison.

If we did that, we would have to compare DC's characters strength feats to Marvels. They dont' compare. Superman is so far out of Thor's league in strength and invulnerability that I often use what I called, combine universe logic. This logic dictates, that if they all shared the same universe, Thor would be on tier with Superman in strength. Just under it actually. as the hulk is actually one of the marvel toons who would be on tier in strength with superman. Thor's lighting is not going to take supers out. and you act as if these super fast, super mighty, well trained dc characters are gonna just stand around and let thor and surfer pummel them with energy attacts. There is no logic in that.

Originally posted by aliveinboston
Who says this will be a fist fight? It will come down to energy attacks and both Thor and the Surfer are beyond any of the JLA.

the jla are no slouches in the speed or energy departments either... superman has heat vision, mm has his martian vision, and two gl's... they can hold their own imo...

and i never expected it to be a fist fight... 😬

well aslong as were talking about high end feats. superman survived a blast at ground zero that could destroy an entire galaxy. oh wait thor's lightening is SURELY more powerful than a galaxy destroying blast RIGHT!

Originally posted by leonheartmm
well aslong as were talking about high end feats. superman survived a blast at ground zero that could destroy an entire galaxy. oh wait thor's lightening is SURELY more powerful than a galaxy destroying blast RIGHT!

😆 sarcasm. gold.

also a normal green lantern has destroyed both a planet and an entire universe in the past. go on talkin mindless crap and ull have a high end hell to look forward to.

Wow...was wondering why this thread kept getting thrown up at the top of the heap.......(apparently, for a reason). 😱

Eesh, sorry Thor and SS fans...and might I add I'm one also. But, they just can't take this team. Batman can eat chocolate chip cookies and drink milk for this one.

Originally posted by BobbyD
Wow...was wondering why this thread kept getting thrown up at the top of the heap.......(apparently, for a reason). 😱

Eesh, sorry Thor and SS fans...and might I add I'm one also. But, they just can't take this team. Batman can eat chocolate chip cookies and drink milk for this one.

Pretty much all he CAN do (without prep) when the JLA faces opponents of this calibur.

Originally posted by Soljer
Pretty much all he CAN do (without prep) when the JLA faces opponents of this calibur.

Unless he ask Gl for a handy Gl super suit. But we all know batman isn't going to be risking his neck on someone elses will power. Wouldn't it be just his luck to have a green supersuit on and he's handing thor his ass, only to have Surfer's board knock out kyle and he loose his super suit. I could only imagine what he woudl say.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Unless he ask Gl for a handy Gl super suit. But we all know batman isn't going to be risking his neck on someone elses will power. Wouldn't it be just his luck to have a green supersuit on and he's handing thor his ass, only to have Surfer's board knock out kyle and he loose his super suit. I could only imagine what he woudl say.

"OH F*CK!"

Originally posted by batdude123
"OH F*CK!"

probably say something like, "Silly, brightly colored, heroes!"

can supes or any of these take a full power cosmis blast? the oly one capable of that is supes, remember when the jla was wasted by 2 imperiex probes, WW was taken down by the explosion of the probe and i believe a fullpowered cosmis blast is comparable to that.

Originally posted by tyranus
can supes or any of these take a full power cosmis blast? the oly one capable of that is supes, remember when the jla was wasted by 2 imperiex probes, WW was taken down by the explosion of the probe and i believe a fullpowered cosmis blast is comparable to that.

WW has also taken the force of blast from zeus, and covered a quantum alien explosion meant to lvl cities, with her body. It has been stated that the white martians are as fast as superman, as strong, and as tuff. Martian Manhunter has the same powers. SO what makes Superman be able to take a hit that MM can't?