Silver Surfer & Thor vs JLA

Originally posted by Juntai
Its OK, he's grasping.

Surfer recently got punched and beat into the ground by Hulk in Planet Hulk. So much for speed and time control.
One mentioning of PIS is just as good as another, huh?

You and others tried to claim Surfer is faster.
Where's the proof?
Match it up with Wally's speed feats.

While you're at it, get the time control instances.
We'll match those up with the ones I've posted.
I posted what 3 or 4 times running through time like it's riding a bike?

you showing low end feats of surfer wally has tons.........

Originally posted by kgkg
In those fight he was nowhere his full limits....... u saying he can't do it because he is on earth is wrong........ Fact is he has done it......... even superman Claimed that by doing > mach speed on earth will creature disaster..... but look few issue latter he was going 1000 times mach speed

1000 times mach speed, and he always seems to run out of the populated areas. The point is, any one who writes comics, or draws, or edits, from any company will tell you, the flash is the fastest being in call of comicdom.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
1000 times mach speed, and he always seems to run out of the populated areas. The point is, any one who writes comics, or draws, or edits, from any company will tell you, the flash is the fastest being in call of comicdom.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
1000 times mach speed, and he always seems to run out of the populated areas. The point is, any one who writes comics, or draws, or edits, from any company will tell you, the flash is the fastest being in call of comicdom.

Flash doesn't go that fast because of fear for earth.......... am saying it doesn't matter flash has shown that he is the faster DC character many times......

am not trying to argue that.....

what am arguing is all that feat can be done by Surfer who has done similar feats in marvel

Originally posted by kgkg
True and Superman is said by DC to be the most powerful....... hyperboles........

Superman is not DC's most powerful. It has been said many times that the Daxamites are stronger than supers. It has been said that MM is more powerful than supers. It has been shown that Gl's can do far more than supers, hell supers needed a gl ring to win in dc 1M. Orion can battle for weeks on end without tiring. Superman fought doomsday and burned out all of his sunlight energy. Takion would clean Superman's clock in half a nano second. Superman 1m and all the future justice legion are more powerful than supers. The spectre is stronger than superman. Mordu is more powerful than superman. dr. fate. any of the quintessence. GOG. and the list goes on and on.

Originally posted by kgkg
i claim SS = Flash. ( speed wise)

you showing low end feats of surfer wally has tons.........

Where's the scans of Surfer moving faster or as fast as Wally?

That's how we figure it out right?
Comparing feats to see who's fastest?

You were insinuating Surfer has time control powers and they would help him outspeed Wally.
Show those too, I'd like to see them.
We'll compare those to Wally's too.

I wanna see scans of the surfer using speed like wally has. I want to see him fighting at those lvls. I want to see it written that he traveled thousands of times faster than light.

Ad for the record, time control is not speed powers. ithat is something all together, and the surfer hasn't exactly been shown to be a master of time control. i'm sure if he was, he woudl go back to zenla and save his wife. or atleast warn them of galactus coming.

Originally posted by Juntai
Where's the scans of Surfer moving faster or as fast as Wally?

That's how we figure it out right?
Comparing feats to see who's fastest?

You were insinuating Surfer has time control powers and they would help him outspeed Wally.
Show those too, I'd like to see them.
We'll compare those to Wally's too.

as for speed........ Surfer hasn't shown any limits.

Crossing Universe... etc.

Originally posted by kgkg
that the thing Surfer can and has control space time...... being able to reach any place, time..... etc ....... in no time .... cuz he has been in places were timed Stoped..........

as for speed........ Surfer hasn't shown any limits.

Crossing Universe... etc.

THen why the need to search for planets for galactus? If he is so fast, then why does he have travel and search? all this speed he has, he coudl have searched the entire universe in a blink of an eye and told galactus of every planet there was to eat. even galactus isn't that fast. if he was, he wouldn't have heralds out searching for his dinner.

Originally posted by kgkg
that the thing Surfer can and has control space time...... being able to reach any place, time..... etc ....... in no time .... cuz he has been in places were timed Stoped..........

as for speed........ Surfer hasn't shown any limits.

Crossing Universe... etc.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Heralds dont' even accomplish those feats. Get real. that was all PIS

Herald's don't accomplish those feats because Marvel maintains that Thor is superior to heralds and has said so consistently for decades.

PIS is Hulk doing some universe level feat with "infinite rage" strength or GL containing a big bang. Get real.

BTW, I don't mean this as a personal attack, but you really ought to consider reviewing your physics text books given that you claim to be a physics major. There is no safe place on land or in the air during a lightning storm.

Originally posted by aliveinboston
Herald's don't accomplish those feats because Marvel maintains that Thor is superior to heralds and has said so consistently for decades.

PIS is Hulk doing some universe level feat with "infinite rage" strength or GL containing a big bang. Get real.

BTW, I don't mean this as a personal attack, but you really ought to consider reviewing your physics text books given that you claim to be a physics major. There is no safe place on land or in the air during a lightning storm.

I'm not going to respond to your last part, I know what I know and have read.

As far as Thor being over heralds. Not so. Thor is herald lvl. Anything higher moves into sky father range and abstact range. The only two heralds who are close to sky father have been surfer and morg. Classic Thor is not a sky father. which would put him in Herald range.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
YOu can disagree all you want, But anything thor can dish out, i can sight an example of the five major jler's being able to counter it, or out do it.

Thor's magically induced lightning storms that can saturate an entire area with lightning far more powerful than necessary to kill Superman instantly. Not only would JLA be unable to counter it, none of them are capable of outdoing it. What's more they would all die quickly.

There is no escape when lightning is everywhere around. Given that none of the JLA except possibly flash would have faster reflexes than Superman and superman is incapable of dodging lightning, none would be able to erect any shields in time.

Originally posted by aliveinboston
Thor's magically induced lightning storms that can saturate an entire area with lightning far more powerful than necessary to kill Superman instantly. Not only would JLA be unable to counter it, none of them are capable of outdoing it. What's more they would all die quickly.

There is no escape when lightning is everywhere around. Given that none of the JLA except possibly flash would have faster reflexes than Superman and superman is incapable of dodging lightning, none would be able to erect any shields in time.

Originally posted by Juntai
Flash can share speed or move them himself out of the way of lightning. Lightning is not going to win the fight, Thor has no way of winning the fight. Supes proved if he stops pulling he can one hit Thor. He's also far faster than Thor. Any two of these fighters, save Batman, are too much for him to handle if everyone is fighting to optimum.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I'm not going to respond to your last part, I know what I know and have read.

What you read is incorrect or you misunderstood/misinterpreted what was written. Only the greatest of fools would take to the air to escape lightning.

As far as Thor being over heralds. Not so. Thor is herald lvl. Anything higher moves into sky father range and abstact range. The only two heralds who are close to sky father have been surfer and morg. Classic Thor is not a sky father. which would put him in Herald range.

You're clearly unfamiliar with the history of the Marvel Universe. Thor has beaten and nearly killed or killed heralds for decades and when pushed has done so quite easily. Heralds are far below Marvel skyfathers, although it could probably be shown that they are above DC skyfathers who are generally quite impotent. Between heralds and Marvel skyfathers are characters like (in no particular order) Thor, Thanos, anyone with an infinity gem, etc...

Originally posted by Juntai
Flash can share speed or move them himself out of the way of lightning. Lightning is not going to win the fight, Thor has no way of winning the fight. Supes proved if he stops pulling he can one hit Thor. He's also far faster than Thor. Any two of these fighters, save Batman, are too much for him to handle if everyone is fighting to optimum.

Superman beating Thor is not canon any more than Batman beating Hulk. It's meaningless in this discussion.

Flash escaping lightning isnt going to happen no matter how fast his reflexes are (and even if he is fast enough to "share" speed with the others) because there is nowhere to run. It's like trying to evade rain drops in a rain storm. Let's assume he can dodge one bolt of lightning (never demonstrated to my knowledge but lets give him the benefit of the doubt) where can he go that there is not another bolt of lightning? In other words in, he's in lightning hell. His fragile body will be one of the first to be fully incinerated. Superman's will surely last a minute or two although he would be dead much sooner.

BTW, there is no evidence that Superman is faster or even as fast as Thor in actual combat situations where it's all about reflexes and hand speed. Thor has demonstrated faster than light hand speed (to throw something faster than light, your hand needs to move faster than light) and faster than light reflexes.

Originally posted by aliveinboston
Superman beating Thor is not canon any more than Batman beating Hulk. It's meaningless in this discussion.

Flash escaping lightning isnt going to happen no matter how fast his reflexes are (and even if he is fast enough to "share" speed with the others) because there is nowhere to run. It's like trying to evade rain drops in a rain storm. Let's assume he can dodge one bolt of lightning (never demonstrated to my knowledge but lets give him the benefit of the doubt) where can he go that there is not another bolt of lightning? In other words in, he's in lightning hell. His fragile body will be one of the first to be fully incinerated. Superman's will surely last a minute or two although he would be dead much sooner.

BTW, there is no evidence that Superman is faster or even as fast as Thor in actual combat situations where it's all about reflexes and hand speed. Thor has demonstrated faster than light hand speed (to throw something faster than light, your hand needs to move faster than light) and faster than light reflexes.

Flash can and HAS outrun lightning, both natural and magical.

Superman has shown greater feats of combat speed by a huge margin.

Originally posted by Juntai
JLA Avengers story continuued into continuity, or did you miss that?

Oh please. You keep trying to bring up one-off nonsense. What about invisible woman killing Exitar? We might as well have an invisible woman vs JLA thread dont you think? Should be a breeze for the one who killed Exitar.

Flash can and HAS outrun lightning, both natural and magical.

I already assumed that Flash can dodge a single bolt of lightning. The problem for Flash (and one for which he has no solution) is that the ground is saturated with millions of lightning bolts and there is nowhere to run that there isn't any lightning.

Superman has shown greater feats of combat speed by a huge margin.

Really? Much faster than light? Even in that non-canon cross-over you like to refer to he didnt seem to be able to dodge Thor, something that should be quite easy for someone who you claim has a huge combat speed advantage. In fact, he showed no speed advantage whatsoever.