Originally posted by aliveinboston
Superman beating Thor is not canon any more than Batman beating Hulk. It's meaningless in this discussion.Flash escaping lightning isnt going to happen no matter how fast his reflexes are (and even if he is fast enough to "share" speed with the others) because there is nowhere to run. It's like trying to evade rain drops in a rain storm. Let's assume he can dodge one bolt of lightning (never demonstrated to my knowledge but lets give him the benefit of the doubt) where can he go that there is not another bolt of lightning? In other words in, he's in lightning hell. His fragile body will be one of the first to be fully incinerated. Superman's will surely last a minute or two although he would be dead much sooner.
BTW, there is no evidence that Superman is faster or even as fast as Thor in actual combat situations where it's all about reflexes and hand speed. Thor has demonstrated faster than light hand speed (to throw something faster than light, your hand needs to move faster than light) and faster than light reflexes.
the above post is absurd on ssoooooooo many levels . . .
anywho, i love ss, (and thor) but there is a reason flash is flash. in what was perhaps the ss's greatest effort at speed, he MISSED the IG. had he been 'instantaneously' fast, he wouldn't have missed. i'm NOT saying flash would have got the IG, just that ss is NOT able to cover distances with zero time passing -- unless he actually time travels, but that is NOT the discussion, the discussion revolves around speed alone.
if the question is who could cover the greatest distance in the least time using ALL their powers, MAYBE ss, but even then wally can time travel and it would likely come down to who could THINK faster. again, a debateable point. but then you'd also need to throw in quasar (who showed he could quantum leap AHEAD of runner) and gl who can port and time travel as well. 😬
with all her weapons available, ww COULD beat thor, but it would be a hellafight, and by no means a guaranteed win EITHER way. classic ww would NOT beat him 1on1 and thor has owned hercules when he has used his hammer against him. without his hammer herc has proved he can defeat thor 1on1, and classic ww prolly could as well.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The Cosmic Egg that was Krona made a re-appearance in the JLA's "Syndicate Rules" storyline, also by Busiek. There were initial plans to also follow up the story in Marvel's title, but these were shelved, perhaps due to the impending breakup of the Avengers and the subsequent launch of the New Avengers title; however, recent issues of the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe do make reference to the crossover.Str8 out of wikipedia
You trust wiki? Or Marvel Handbooks? Wiki has false information all over the place, and Marvel Handbooks are the same things that say Wolverine has skill.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I"m must be missing something. When was lightning ever enough to take out a green lantern?
Whenever they aren't as durable as superman, which is all the time. But then again, you're claiming a GL can take all the celestials at once so we all know how you approach these discussions.
Did I not see Wonder Woman take on the full Fury of an enraged zeus?
Taking on the full fury of an enraged DC zeus is like saying you can take a pounding from your 5 year old nephew. DC gods would struggle against a Marvel herald level character. It's all due to DC compromising all it's other characters to make Superman look better.
Can superman withstand the force of a million nuclear blast? one lighting bolt doesn't have the force of a fraction of one nuclear blast.
And Doomsday's punches do? But it seems you've resorted to intellectually dishonest arguments as you've now taken to equating standard naturally occuring earth lightning with magically induced lightning which you know can be far more powerful. What's more, being a physics major, you should also be aware that a lightning bolt is energy concentrated along a very narrow space whereas a nuclear bombs energy is diffused and the peak energy density in space decreases exponentially with distance from the focus.
In any case, we already know what Shazam did to Superman with his wussy DC zeus lightning.
MM can simply phase or alter his density to withstand the attack.
It's all about reflexes. Superman can't dodge lightning and similarly, MM wont be able to alter his density in time. If he tries, it should be interesting to see how he handles having his distributed molecules turned into high temperature plasma as lightning is would.
the flash is the flash. how bout vibrating so fast that he phases thru the lightning and tags thor.
Phase through lightning? You're claiming to be a physics major?
this fight would hinge on the silver surfer. and he's not messing with the combined might of two gl's and martain manhunter.
According to you a single GL could destroy the combined power of Eternity, Watchers, Stranger, Galactus, all the Celestials, etc... combined so I'm sorry to say discussion with you is pointless.
Originally posted by aliveinboston
Whenever they aren't as durable as superman, which is all the time. But then again, you're claiming a GL can take all the celestials at once so we all know how you approach these discussions.Taking on the full fury of an enraged DC zeus is like saying you can take a pounding from your 5 year old nephew. DC gods would struggle against a Marvel herald level character. It's all due to DC compromising all it's other characters to make Superman look better.
And Doomsday's punches do? But it seems you've resorted to intellectually dishonest arguments as you've now taken to equating standard naturally occuring earth lightning with magically induced lightning which you know can be far more powerful. What's more, being a physics major, you should also be aware that a lightning bolt is energy concentrated along a very narrow space whereas a nuclear bombs energy is diffused and the peak energy density in space decreases exponentially with distance from the focus.
In any case, we already know what Shazam did to Superman with his wussy DC zeus lightning.
It's all about reflexes. Superman can't dodge lightning and similarly, MM wont be able to alter his density in time. If he tries, it should be interesting to see how he handles having his distributed molecules turned into high temperature plasma as lightning is would.
Phase through lightning? You're claiming to be a physics major?
According to you a single GL could destroy the combined power of Eternity, Watchers, Stranger, Galactus, all the Celestials, etc... combined so I'm sorry to say discussion with you is pointless.
Originally posted by leonidas
with all her weapons available, ww COULD beat thor, but it would be a hellafight, and by no means a guaranteed win EITHER way.
She'd get beaten up just like Drax and Maxam, either of whom could handle WW.
classic ww would NOT beat him 1on1 and thor has owned hercules when he has used his hammer against him. without his hammer herc has proved he can defeat thor 1on1, and classic ww prolly could as well.
Thor defeated Hercules without the hammer. Hercules was the more skilled grappler, but he got deep fried by lightning. No hammer needed.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl Please don't EVER say I claim anything again. You are making urself look foolish. As I have never said a Gl can take on a celestial. Just stop quoting me or responding me. Respond to someone else. PLEASE!
Well saying a GL can contain a genuine big bang and can do ANYTHING without limit and with just a thought is saying precisely that. It's saying a GL Ring = Infinity gauntlet.
Not to dig up old arguments but I had to bring up and old argument regarding the whole lightning thing. Actually is someone ala Superman where flying and they got struck by lightning they shouldn't be affected because they way the electricity harms you is by passing through you and into ground resulting in a negative feedback. When planes and such are struck by lightning they explode and such because the intense heat ignites the gas in the planes fuel lines. Birds also die when they are stuck in the air from the heat usually. That shouldn't be a problem for Superman/Wonderwoman though. Its how birds are able to safely stand on powerlines but if they was a string connecting the birds to the ground the bird would go bye-bye. Also how Spider-Man fights Electro for another example.
BTW, JLA too much for just Thor and Silver Surfer.
Originally posted by marvelprince
Not to dig up old arguments but I had to bring up and old argument regarding the whole lightning thing. Actually is someone ala Superman where flying and they got struck by lightning they shouldn't be affected because they way the electricity harms you is by passing through you and into ground resulting in a negative feedback. When planes and such are struck by lightning they explode and such because the intense heat ignites the gas in the planes fuel lines. Birds also die when they are stuck in the air from the heat usually. That shouldn't be a problem for Superman/Wonderwoman though. Its how birds are able to safely stand on powerlines but if they was a string connecting the birds to the ground the bird would go bye-bye. Also how Spider-Man fights Electro for another example.BTW, JLA too much for just Thor and Silver Surfer.
Thank you so much. I said this several times, but certain posters on these here forums just won't listen.
Originally posted by aliveinboston
She'd get beaten up just like Drax and Maxam, either of whom could handle WW.Thor defeated Hercules without the hammer. Hercules was the more skilled grappler, but he got deep fried by lightning. No hammer needed.
if EITHER were dragged by her lasso, both drax and maxam would be screwed. drax with a gem could outslug her. no reason to believe maxam could. she's faster, at LEAST as durable and as strong, not to mention FAR more skilled.
and why are you continually assuming this is warrior mad thor? and thor is more versatile. in strictly h2h, herc's proven he could beat thor. thor's overall powerset puts him well above hercules, clearly. not sure what your point is . . .
and herc's durability<superman and even herc withstood 2 of your all-damaging, non-magical bolts without being ko'd. 😄 of course you'll likely say he could generate an even MORE powerful bolt somehow, or that herc's durability>supes . . . the latter is ridiculous, the former is questionable at best, unless he directs it THROUGH mjollnir - in which case of course he can only fire ONE bolt . . . you may even say the lightning IS magical (without proof, of course) which would then imply that when thor summons rain, the WATER is magical, when he summons cold, the cold is magical as well, or the winds and tornadoes, etc. . . even the weather/elements he and zeus battled for control over in annual #8 must have been magical by that reasoning . . .
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Originally posted by leonheartmm
ok simplifying it gl+wonderwoman= noticably more powerful than thorsuperman+flash= also noticably stronger than surfer
surfer and thor lose.
gl + wonderwoman = noticably powerful to u.
other people do not belief that, so it doesn\'t mean its true.
in DC it might be True. But not in Marvel.
Originally posted by ChancellorGohan
gl + wonderwoman = noticably powerful to u.other people do not belief that, so it doesn\'t mean its true.
in DC it might be True. But not in Marvel.
That is the most rediculous statement on this entire thread. What the hell are we debating for if we are gonna go with what's standard in marvel, and standard in DC. We debate on character's bio's, powers, abilities, skill, weapons, feats, and battles and come up with conclusion. If every one just said, In Marvel this is true, and in DC it's not or vice versa, we might as well shut down this entire forum.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
That is the most rediculous statement on this entire thread. What the hell are we debating for if we are gonna go with what\'s standard in marvel, and standard in DC. We debate on character\'s bio\'s, powers, abilities, skill, weapons, feats, and battles and come up with conclusion. If every one just said, In Marvel this is true, and in DC it\'s not or vice versa, we might as well shut down this entire forum.
I could say that we do not debate using all that stuff. You reality is only true to u. Not to me. In my reality, GL and Wonder Women not good or evil. So he could loose.
-ChancelorGohan